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Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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From their site:

WELCOME TO 42,THE MOST DARING CODING UNIVERSITY. DISRUPTIVE EDUCATION. TUITION FREE. NON-PROFIT. OPEN TO ALL.

False Advertising.

"OPEN TO ALL" "42 is open to anyone who is between the ages of 18 and 30"

Perhaps someone there should attend a class on demographics.

I suspect in the land of 42, you don't exist if you are 30. Such special little snowflakes they are.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coding is a pathway to IT literacy. Complaining about teaching code is analogous to complaining about teaching how to write.

It is not a pathway - it is a side effect of it. Most self taught geeks have started from "wanting to do something" and "make a computer program to do it" as the solution. It is a nice skill, but I would never code something until I have exhausted the other (lazier) possibilities.

I very rarely write raw HTML today as a web developer, but if I hadn't created my first personal webpages from scratch and known what it's like to publish to the entire world instantaneously, I would not have had the impetus to learn web dev as an engineering practice. Learning literacy is not a linear path from concept to output.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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What is the reason for having the age restriction of 30? Does it not implicitly contribute to the existing ageism issue in tech industry. Why can't a professional working in another industry learn something new at the age of 35 or a mother who wants to come back to the workforce after her kids start going to school?

The age restriction is also possibly illegal in the US, as age is a protected class under federal law.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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What is the reason for having the age restriction of 30? Does it not implicitly contribute to the existing ageism issue in tech industry. Why can't a professional working in another industry learn something new at the age of 35 or a mother who wants to come back to the workforce after her kids start going to school?

Indeed they should be able to!

I'm a student at Holberton School in SF and we use the same methodology - project based, peer-learning - and our student body is made up of people who range in age from 17 to over 50. I'm 43.

Coding is for everyone.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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Why did they move to such an expensive area? If their goal is to provide services and help everyone why not build your university in an area like Detroit? No one who is really interested won't go because of the location and it makes rent really cheap. Hell, you could also have the Detroit government chip in and give you a great deal on land. What is bad for an economy about bringing some of our nations smartest progr…

So...start a coding school in a place in the world where you are likely to find a very dense population of people who already know how to write code ?

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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Why did they move to such an expensive area? If their goal is to provide services and help everyone why not build your university in an area like Detroit? No one who is really interested won't go because of the location and it makes rent really cheap. Hell, you could also have the Detroit government chip in and give you a great deal on land. What is bad for an economy about bringing some of our nations smartest progr…

San Francisco is unmatched when it comes to accessing mentors who have been entrenched in technology.

I'm a student at Holberton School, which is project based (like Ecole 42) and community driven. For example, one of our mentors in the Deep Learning track is none other than Louis Monier who founded Alta Vista.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing most people over 30 can not commit to a 3-year full time study, but it's weird indeed that they're not even allowed in.

3 years of study ?? What!? That's insane, you do not need 3 years of study to enter this industry. At that point, I may as well go and get a Computer Science degree at a local college and at least have a legitimate degree.

This course is not a bootcamp. It is a substitute for an undergraduate degree and it is intended to give you a similar width and depth of knowledge (undergraduate degrees in Europe are three years). In France there are very few schools teaching computer science to a very high standard (Grade Ecoles teach engineering) and 42 has the ambition to educate the best computer scientists in France. Thumbing on the years makes that impossible.

You can go to community college; that is a legitimate choice; but 42 teaches you in a different way, one which 42 argues is more suitable for learning than classroom hours and lectures. And you miss out on some of that ambition.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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What is the reason for having the age restriction of 30? Does it not implicitly contribute to the existing ageism issue in tech industry. Why can't a professional working in another industry learn something new at the age of 35 or a mother who wants to come back to the workforce after her kids start going to school?

I'm guessing most people over 30 can not commit to a 3-year full time study, but it's weird indeed that they're not even allowed in.

I'm sure that if they are looking for a change in career, taking some time off to make that change is not really a choice.

I'm 43, and enrolled at Holberton School, which is project based. Granted, I'm only taking 2 years off, but by the time the 9th month rolls around we will be interning in San Franciso (and possibly around the World). Some of those internships are paid.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

#39
I am currently 41, went to a Coding bootcamp in Bay area and after I graduated, I struggled to find a job for 6-8 months but ultimately succeeded to land one as a developer job. But I have had to drop $12k on tuition which I think it will take couple of years to pay off. The bootcamp did very little to add value to my learning skill and portfolio of projects.

I would have applied to institution like this in a heartbeat but I guess 42 would have been a no-entry for me. Why this discrimination? And also it is irony that they wont take anybody above 30 much less 40 years old but the institution is named as 42. Can anybody tell me why the organization named itself 42?

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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This is something that looks very interesting. I wonder if this would ever come to the UK. I know France is just across the channel but there surely is massive demand for this in the UK as well.

There is something similar called NMITE, which is run by a few universities.

If you want a 42-like school, speak with your local MP. 42 is run on a budget of €7m (approximately) per year, and it would be very affordable if the government got behind it with a Royal Charter.

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