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What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

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Re: What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

#11

Post by cstross »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #10
nodesocket wrote: post #3

As a shareholder, I have to admit I've lost a little confidence in Tim Cook. He's a fantastic operations guy, but lacks a founder's vision, drive and risk-taking mentality. I also think companies, unlike governments, are best run by dictators. With Tim, it seems like decisions are community (in terms of employee) driven instead of coming from his vision. With that said, I'm still a huge Apple fan boy. The stock's fun…

>He's a fantastic operations guy, but lacks a founder's vision, drive and risk-taking mentality. If there's one thing I've learned in my corporate serfdom is that primadonnas can't handle other primadonnas. Do you think Steve Jobs would be able to work with another Steve Jobs? Jobs picked Cook because Cook wasn't Jobs, so Jobs was able to tolerate him. The problem is a company like Apple probably needs a Jobs-like ch…

> The problem is a company like Apple probably needs a Jobs-like character.

I have been, idly, placing bets with myself on an Apple buy-out of Tesla, shades of Apple's buy-out of NeXT -- not merely to get a lead on the auto industry, but to get a new visionary leader on board in the shape of Musk.

(But I don't think Musk wants to lead a company he didn't build for himself: he doesn't want to just eat his cake, he wants to bake it from scratch.)

Re: What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

#12

Post by drzaiusapelord »

cstross wrote: post #11
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>He's a fantastic operations guy, but lacks a founder's vision, drive and risk-taking mentality. If there's one thing I've learned in my corporate serfdom is that primadonnas can't handle other primadonnas. Do you think Steve Jobs would be able to work with another Steve Jobs? Jobs picked Cook because Cook wasn't Jobs, so Jobs was able to tolerate him. The problem is a company like Apple probably needs a Jobs-like ch…

> The problem is a company like Apple probably needs a Jobs-like character. I have been, idly, placing bets with myself on an Apple buy-out of Tesla, shades of Apple's buy-out of NeXT -- not merely to get a lead on the auto industry, but to get a new visionary leader on board in the shape of Musk. (But I don't think Musk wants to lead a company he didn't build for himself: he doesn't want to just eat his cake, he wan…

I suspect Musk is too busy with sexy technology like rockets and electric and self-driving cars to be bothered with agonizing over what Walmart moms think is a good phone. Apple isn't this hot sexy thing anymore, its the standard bearer of the mobile revolution which has become a fairly boring part of everyone's lives. I can't imagine a personality like Musk doing that job. It would seem like a caretaker job I imagine.

Re: What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

#14

Post by coldtea »

joshuata wrote: post #4

A couple lines really bother me in this piece: "... it matters to you whether your phone has 64 or 128 GB of RAM" Holy Cow! I want that phone! I've only got 8 GB of RAM on my desktop. "The first iPhone had apps..." The only apps the original iPhone had were the kind you could get on any feature phone: weather, stocks, etc... It wasn't until later that the app store opened and really changed things. As a whole, the ar…

>Holy Cow! I want that phone! I've only got 8 GB of RAM on my desktop.

They probably had in mind smartphone disk storage options.

That said, technically speaking, they are correct in a pedantic way: a phone's SSD is also RAM, as there's a constant time of accessing any random address on the drive.

Re: What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

#15

Post by coldtea »

nodesocket wrote: post #3

As a shareholder, I have to admit I've lost a little confidence in Tim Cook. He's a fantastic operations guy, but lacks a founder's vision, drive and risk-taking mentality. I also think companies, unlike governments, are best run by dictators. With Tim, it seems like decisions are community (in terms of employee) driven instead of coming from his vision. With that said, I'm still a huge Apple fan boy. The stock's fun…

>As a shareholder, I have to admit I've lost a little confidence in Tim Cook. He's a fantastic operations guy, but lacks a founder's vision, drive and risk-taking mentality.

The same guy who's (from all we know) pivoting Apple into car making?

Re: What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

#17

Post by kwikiel »

cstross wrote: post #11
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>He's a fantastic operations guy, but lacks a founder's vision, drive and risk-taking mentality. If there's one thing I've learned in my corporate serfdom is that primadonnas can't handle other primadonnas. Do you think Steve Jobs would be able to work with another Steve Jobs? Jobs picked Cook because Cook wasn't Jobs, so Jobs was able to tolerate him. The problem is a company like Apple probably needs a Jobs-like ch…

> The problem is a company like Apple probably needs a Jobs-like character. I have been, idly, placing bets with myself on an Apple buy-out of Tesla, shades of Apple's buy-out of NeXT -- not merely to get a lead on the auto industry, but to get a new visionary leader on board in the shape of Musk. (But I don't think Musk wants to lead a company he didn't build for himself: he doesn't want to just eat his cake, he wan…

FIY Musk is not founder of tesla.

Re: What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

coldtea wrote: post #16
mentos wrote: post #13

Putting the PC in your pocket was a huge leap, what is left?

Healthcare, cars, NLP, AI and eventually space exploration and tons of other things besides...

And IoT - good, secure IoT.

There's no lack of opportunities. But I'm seeing Apple struggling with keeping its current technology working as well as it has in the past - never mind building incredible cool new stuff.

Re: What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

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Post by coldtea »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #18
coldtea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Healthcare, cars, NLP, AI and eventually space exploration and tons of other things besides...

And IoT - good, secure IoT. There's no lack of opportunities. But I'm seeing Apple struggling with keeping its current technology working as well as it has in the past - never mind building incredible cool new stuff.

>But I'm seeing Apple struggling with keeping its current technology working as well as it has in the past

I find that mostly a myth. The original OS X (10.0.1 or something) was a terrible release. It took until 10.2 to be usable. The G3 iBooks had thousands upon thousands of broken logic boards. The G5 leaked green cooling goo. The Cube was overheating. Don't get me started on the quality of their mice until the Magic Mouse. And most OS X releases, with 1-2 exceptions (Snow Leopard for one) were met with complaints and tales of horror (In fact El Capitan has been a big success in this regard -- hardly many complaints as with previous versions). XCode has been especially crappy before 6 (and doubly so before 4).

There will always be problems when you make tens of millions of devices and 100+ software titles, including 2 full OSes, a programming language, browser, down to NLEs and DAWs...

There might be more complaints today, but there are also 20x more Apple users than in 2005, and 10x more advanced ecosystem. Back then we discussed rumors for months and we cheered if the newly released iPod had cutting-edge features like a "color screen" (awe) or "video playback" (gasp).

Now we expect a fully working phone, a top notch compact camera, 4k video, retina display, 1.000.000+ apps in the app store, 4-5 different sensors, quick 3D graphics, fingerprint sensors, wi-fi, light on battery bluetooth 4, and tons more besides, which we take for granted, merely 9 years after then.

Re: What People Who Demand Innovations from Apple Don't Get

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Post by kbenson »

coldtea wrote: post #16
mentos wrote: post #13

Putting the PC in your pocket was a huge leap, what is left?

Healthcare, cars, NLP, AI and eventually space exploration and tons of other things besides...

And on the more mundane, iterative side of things, the PC on your face.
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