Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by milen » Mon, May 16, 2016, 4:42 PM UTC

Winding down the Swift 3 release
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Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by _isus » Mon, May 16, 2016, 5:45 PM UTC

I wonder what the implications for Linux of the removal of "Portability" from the Swift 3 evolution/Readme.md [1] are?

[1] https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/commit/06b69a6e51a7...

Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by claudiug » Mon, May 16, 2016, 5:57 PM UTC

Now, with swift 3 around the corner, I will ask some most experience fellow developers the following question. There is golang, swift, rust, dlang. If you will put some energy, what language will be, and why? :)

Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by AlexeyBrin » Mon, May 16, 2016, 5:58 PM UTC

claudiug wrote: post #3

Now, with swift 3 around the corner, I will ask some most experience fellow developers the following question. There is golang, swift, rust, dlang. If you will put some energy, what language will be, and why? :)

The answer is obvious: Swift if you target iOS. Otherwise, use what is best for you.

Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by pbnjay » Mon, May 16, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

claudiug wrote: post #3

Now, with swift 3 around the corner, I will ask some most experience fellow developers the following question. There is golang, swift, rust, dlang. If you will put some energy, what language will be, and why? :)

Swift for GUIs on OSX / iOS. Go for everything else. Haven't had much reason to play with Rust or D, but also haven't seen nearly as much of them in the wild...

Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by pjmlp » Mon, May 16, 2016, 6:11 PM UTC

claudiug wrote: post #3

Now, with swift 3 around the corner, I will ask some most experience fellow developers the following question. There is golang, swift, rust, dlang. If you will put some energy, what language will be, and why? :)

Swift, most likely.

Go I don't like the design, but I will always suggest it to anyone wanting a simple safe C like language.

D, the community is great, but they still need to decide which direction the language is supposed to grow.

Rust community and language are great, but I think they need to get into an OS SDK to really accomplish the goal of replacing C++.

Swift is replacing C and Objective-C as the official systems language on Apple platforms. It has the necessary tooling for full stack applications, IBM is already pushing it on their cloud services and Microsoft will eventually support it on their iOS bridge.

So in what concerns OS vendor support I am betting on Swift.

For the use cases where that isn't relevant, I would say Rust is also a very good candidate.

Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by eridius » Mon, May 16, 2016, 6:13 PM UTC

claudiug wrote: post #3

Now, with swift 3 around the corner, I will ask some most experience fellow developers the following question. There is golang, swift, rust, dlang. If you will put some energy, what language will be, and why? :)

Swift if you're targeting iOS or OS X and either need GUI or integration with system frameworks, Rust otherwise.

Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by swsieber » Mon, May 16, 2016, 6:23 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #6

claudiug wrote: post #3

Now, with swift 3 around the corner, I will ask some most experience fellow developers the following question. There is golang, swift, rust, dlang. If you will put some energy, what language will be, and why? :)

Swift, most likely. Go I don't like the design, but I will always suggest it to anyone wanting a simple safe C like language. D, the community is great, but they still need to decide which direction the language is supposed to grow. Rust community and language are great, but I think they need to get into an OS SDK to really accomplish the goal of replacing C++. Swift is replacing C and Objective-C as the official sys…

Could you expand on an OS SDK in relation to Rust?

Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by Scarbutt » Mon, May 16, 2016, 6:29 PM UTC

claudiug wrote: post #3

Now, with swift 3 around the corner, I will ask some most experience fellow developers the following question. There is golang, swift, rust, dlang. If you will put some energy, what language will be, and why? :)

In the long run, Swift, IMO.

It has all the advantages of Go but with a more expressive language, much better C interop and a platform that will create a community around it very quickly, the other day I saw somewhere that there are already more Swift books and courses than Go. Swift will also let you do everything Rust can, very low level stuff.

Re: Winding down the Swift 3 release

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Post by nardi » Mon, May 16, 2016, 6:30 PM UTC

Scarbutt wrote: post #9

claudiug wrote: post #3

Now, with swift 3 around the corner, I will ask some most experience fellow developers the following question. There is golang, swift, rust, dlang. If you will put some energy, what language will be, and why? :)

In the long run, Swift, IMO. It has all the advantages of Go but with a more expressive language, much better C interop and a platform that will create a community around it very quickly, the other day I saw somewhere that there are already more Swift books and courses than Go. Swift will also let you do everything Rust can, very low level stuff.

> Swift will also let you do everything Rust can, very low level stuff.

Not quite. Swift requires a runtime, so you probably won't see people writing OS kernels in Swift.