Programming from the Ground Up [pdf]

Post by ktRolster » Mon, May 16, 2016, 3:16 AM UTC

e12e wrote: post #40

ktRolster wrote: post #16

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>Would anyone actually recommend to a beginner to start learn assembly first? Yes, if you can find a good book about it. Assembler isn't particularly difficult, but the information teaching it is rather hard. Right now, the lowest-level language I know of with a really good beginner book is C, and it's this book: http://smile.amazon.com/Absolute-Beginners-Guide-C-2nd/dp/06...

Out of curiosity, have you looked at the 3rd edition? http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Absolute-Beginners-Guide-3...

Post by spc476 » Mon, May 16, 2016, 4:47 AM UTC

clishem wrote: post #36

spc476 wrote: post #31

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Assembly was my second language (BASIC being my first), but it was not the x86 line I learned first (it was my second assembly language). I can name half a dozen architectures that are probably better for learning than the x86, some of them relevant today. Probably in order: 6502---not my favorite, but tons of material and emulators exist. The most popular 8 bit CPU and one of the most simple ones. 6809---my favorite…

I've been looking to buy "Introduction to 64 Bit Assembly Programming for Linux and OS X: Third Edition - for Linux and OS X". It's an introduction to x84-64 assembly, which I thought makes sense for me to learn, because it is the architecture all my computers use. You say x86 is not a good choice to learn, but this book purports to make assembly for this architecture accessible. If you stand by your opinion, are the…

Post by gwu78 » Mon, May 16, 2016, 6:11 AM UTC

MIKarlsen wrote: post #13

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Post by chetanahuja » Mon, May 16, 2016, 7:35 AM UTC

ktRolster wrote: post #16

koloron wrote: post #15

Hah, just today I started to read "Haskell programming from first principles"[1] which also targets non-programmers but builds on lambda calculus instead of assembly. Would anyone actually recommend to a beginner to start learn assembly first? [1] http://haskellbook.com/

>Would anyone actually recommend to a beginner to start learn assembly first? Yes, if you can find a good book about it. Assembler isn't particularly difficult, but the information teaching it is rather hard. Right now, the lowest-level language I know of with a really good beginner book is C, and it's this book: http://smile.amazon.com/Absolute-Beginners-Guide-C-2nd/dp/06...

Post by djmips » Mon, May 16, 2016, 9:48 AM UTC

jesstaa wrote: post #46

koloron wrote: post #15

Hah, just today I started to read "Haskell programming from first principles"[1] which also targets non-programmers but builds on lambda calculus instead of assembly. Would anyone actually recommend to a beginner to start learn assembly first? [1] http://haskellbook.com/

I wouldn't. It's like teaching someone to cook by starting with teaching them chemistry.