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Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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Protectionism is a sorta tragedy of the commons type of deal, if everybody did it the advantage it offered would disappear.

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What's wrong if black people only pocket black people's money and white people only pocket white people's money?

(And of course if anyone chooses to engage with those of the wrong group, violence will be used to stop them.)

Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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What's wrong if black people only pocket black people's money and white people only pocket white people's money? (And of course if anyone chooses to engage with those of the wrong group, violence will be used to stop them.)

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Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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What's wrong if black people only pocket black people's money and white people only pocket white people's money? (And of course if anyone chooses to engage with those of the wrong group, violence will be used to stop them.)

So is protectionism then the same as racism?

Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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I've been proselytizing linux over here. Ubuntu Kylin is pretty cool to set up for people, but the wifi cards on a lot of laptops don't take too well to it.

Why Kylin and not Xubuntu or Lubuntu?

Well, the OS I'm running is Ubuntu, and Kylin is "Ubuntu for China", with fcitx set up for Chinese already, and a separate Software Center that has a delightful page that shows Linux alternatives for Windows software. Haven't quite gotten around to playing with other linux distros to be honest.

Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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Protectionism is a sorta tragedy of the commons type of deal, if everybody did it the advantage it offered would disappear.

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I don't want a world where my birthplace decides what news outlets I may read (can't have a non-local news source spill the beans!), what services I can use (use our local email variant, the government has approved it!), what products I may buy (special imported legally at only x20 markup after governmental approval).

I see myself as a citizen of the world, and I don't want to be put into a tiny nationalistic box as "my rightful place in life".

Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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What's wrong if black people only pocket black people's money and white people only pocket white people's money? (And of course if anyone chooses to engage with those of the wrong group, violence will be used to stop them.)

So is protectionism then the same as racism?

I simply asked a question. I see nothing in your argument which distinguishes between protectionism motivated by racism and protection motivated by nationalism.

What principle do you use to distinguish between them?

(Incidentally, if you want my view, it's the following. Racism and patriotism/nationalism is just a feeling and is intrinsically harmless. However they often motivate intrinsically harmful behaviors such as protectionism or other more direct forms of tribal violence.)

Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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Absolutely. Corollary: When running a country, protectionism of tech businesses can really pay off if your population is large enough. Should every country follow Beijing's example? I'm not sure it leads to a good outcome globally, but on a per-country basis it seems like countries with large populations do have something to gain by acting selfishly.

What does China actually gain from this? For the government the answer is clear: locally situated companies that they have total control over. WeChat will obviously never pull a Google style "encrypt all the things" - they'll happily help the state reduce the credit scores of political dissidents and anyone who is friends with them. For politically connected cronies (e.g. WeChat owners), the answer is also clear. But…

China doesn't want to end up like Europe, which has no major Internet companies of its own on the same level as Google or Facebook. There has been immense political consequences and soul searching in the EU, and they are trying to push a single digital market concept to better compete against American firms. However, it remains to be seen how effective this strategy will be.

Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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Can someone name one innovative or disruptive technology that has come out of China in the last 20 years? Honest question. I am admitting ignorance here. I have this assumption that many Chinese companies just copy/refactor existing ideas and apply them to their protected market.

Lower-priced but "lower-quality" is one of the quintessential properties of a disruptive technology. You can probably apply this to all electronics manufacturing, from smart phones to consumer drones. Could smart phones have become so ubiquitous if each cost over $1000 to buy?

Re: Beijing is Silicon Valley's only true competitor

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Bing is really reasonable for dev search results. Honestly not sure if the people bashing it have ever tried it for that purpose.

I bet the MS employee has tried it for that purpose. He still uses Google at work.

I'm a researcher, Google still has benefits in that area. For dev, Bing brings up about the same information that Google does. And it is hard to tell the difference these days.

I also resent not being able to use google at home, so I like using it at work.

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