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Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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Re: Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the semi-libertarian concept of "crime" the founders had, it is quite hard to commit a crime in your own home.

Murder is one example.

Indeed. When all crime is property crime, you must have someone else's person or property present to commit a crime.

Whether your body is your property or not is for another philosophy debate.

Re: Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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If that's true we are moving into a scary world pretty much like 1984 where everything you do is monitored all the time. Add voice, face recognition, surveillance drones, cheap data storage and AI to the mix it seems pretty soon everything you do in a public place will be recorded and analyzed. And all this can be done fully automated. I hope people will recognize that some laws need to change. Surveillance makes sen…

Google has vastly more information on everyone in America. Orders of magnitude. (and by extension maybe foreign intelligence agencies) The government is just playing catch-up! I rather our slightly dysfunctional government have more information about me than an ad company that's the play toy of tech-utopian billionaires

How about neither big companies nor government should have that much information and power?

Re: Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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If that's true we are moving into a scary world pretty much like 1984 where everything you do is monitored all the time. Add voice, face recognition, surveillance drones, cheap data storage and AI to the mix it seems pretty soon everything you do in a public place will be recorded and analyzed. And all this can be done fully automated. I hope people will recognize that some laws need to change. Surveillance makes sen…

We are moving in a scary world... technology is nice but it makes monitoring too easy. As I see it, updated laws is the only thing that can save us... One of so many examples would be to get rid of car license plates.

A neighbor of mine made a license plate reader and he logs all the traffic into and out of our neighborhood. People thought it was creepy, until he was able to give the data to police after a couple of nights where cars were broken into.

Re: Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would have considered every citizen paying money to carry around a tracking device with attached cameras and microphones and broadcasting nearly every detail of their private life to public forums fanciful science fiction.

A small correction: The communists (Stasi and KGB) would have made it compulsory to not broadcast it but to unicast/multicast it to servers owned by the Party politburo. Communism is horrendously corrupt and inflicts great control on all its "lesser equal" citizens. Read this report about how Chinese communists have told microblogging sites to hire “self-discipline commissioners” [1]. [1] https://rsf.org/en/news/weib…

To pretend this is unique to communism ignores that this can happen in any society where rights are ignored and authority has absolute power with no accountability.

I've seen forums shut down because admins got a visit from the FBI and decided that running a site that garners that much attention from the state isn't a risk they want to take. One was a comedy forum that leaned a little more left of center near the 2012 election. Memes and words might endanger national security.

> The communists (Stasi and KGB) would have made it compulsory to not broadcast it but to unicast/multicast it to servers owned by the Party politburo.

Today, we see our government pushing for something similar: unencrypted communication over networks they have captured to servers they can access unimpeded (Google, FB, Skype etc).

Re: Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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If that's true we are moving into a scary world pretty much like 1984 where everything you do is monitored all the time. Add voice, face recognition, surveillance drones, cheap data storage and AI to the mix it seems pretty soon everything you do in a public place will be recorded and analyzed. And all this can be done fully automated. I hope people will recognize that some laws need to change. Surveillance makes sen…

We are moving into a world where everything you do is monitored all the time.

This is driven by technology, and legislation can't do much to change it. It's possible other technology can, but until then, assume you are monitored.

Re: Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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If that's true we are moving into a scary world pretty much like 1984 where everything you do is monitored all the time. Add voice, face recognition, surveillance drones, cheap data storage and AI to the mix it seems pretty soon everything you do in a public place will be recorded and analyzed. And all this can be done fully automated. I hope people will recognize that some laws need to change. Surveillance makes sen…

Yeah, with that kind of advancement in technology, the "Captain America vs Iron Man" debate is going to be sprung soon. In other words, the debate between Individual Freedom vs Individual Safety.

Re: Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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> You're reading "unlimited rule" into my comment. To be fair, you did say that the "whole point" of government was to run the police. That is to say "The sole purpose of government is to run the police". Perhaps you can see where the misunderstanding lies? Given your comment history, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to see you emit that reformulation of your statement, but that's neither here nor there.

That crosses the line into personal attack, which is not allowed here regardless of how wrong someone's views may be.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11699424 and marked it off-topic.

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