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Not that I know of unfortunately.
So it's not really fair to say that they've been tested and proven to have significant benefit, is it?
Yes proven is too strong of a word: "Have shown promising results".
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Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death
#112I was recently shocked and practically offended to read guidelines on what to eat while undergoing chemo[1]. It was a high-sugar diet, basically (milkshakes were encouraged !). I couldn't imagine anything worse than shocking your body with radiation, and then providing cancer cells with all the sugar they need for growth. Hopefully the ideas in this article start to affect public health policy and guidelines. 1: http…
Just to be sure no one misunderstands: these milkshakes are not the same that one would drink at McDonalds etc. They are like the shakes overweight people drink to lose weight before surgery, only that they are for gaining weight. These shakes have many different vitamins, minerals etc. the body needs and have many calories (1.5-2.0 kcal/ml), and yes that means sugar.
These shakes are also low on lactase because depending on the chemo patients can become intollerant to lactase (either through the chemo or antibiotics that are given). They are also low on fibre so its easier to digest.
Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death
#113Dichloroacetic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichloroacetic_acid#Cancer Can't be patent protected, hence clinical trials are very difficult (to fund) but are under way for limited applications: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24297161 The mechanism of action targets the unique cancer cells energy metabolism.
And here's a review (although old) of the literature on the link between dichloroacetate (DCA), glucose, and cancer:
Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
By making sporadic (eg. once a month) fasting periods of 12h to 24h Uh, any adverse effects if you increase that frequency? Because I reach a fasting period of 12h almost every day...
Most people do I imagine. If you eat dinner at 6pm and breakfast at 8am that is a 14 hour fast.
Mmmh... lunch?
Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death
#115I was recently shocked and practically offended to read guidelines on what to eat while undergoing chemo[1]. It was a high-sugar diet, basically (milkshakes were encouraged !). I couldn't imagine anything worse than shocking your body with radiation, and then providing cancer cells with all the sugar they need for growth. Hopefully the ideas in this article start to affect public health policy and guidelines. 1: http…
Surely the doctors who wrote this know more than you do and have considered this possibility? That doesn't mean they're automatically right, but your first reaction should be "what studies was this advice based on?" rather than "this advice is clearly harmful, I'm offended by it"
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I want to know whether they're dedicating their lives to winning a Nobel prize and saving billions of lives with this magical cure. If not, why not? They had fatal cancers cured in just a few months with no treatment, and then just went back to work and forgot about it? Also, if the essence is fasting, why did they need to go see a shaman in Peru?
The problem is that medical science today isn't equipped to prove/disprove this kind of medicine. All that would happen if they could convince anyone to even believe the story, which I highly doubt, is one study would be conducted. The scientists would ignore all the diagnosis and individual examination the shaman did, and the study would probably have the participants take a specific amount of a single specific herb…
Exactly. We need a new kind of science that works for living systems.
"When you kick a stone the energy for its resulting movement comes from your foot. When you kick a dog..."
Complex living systems with scads of "free" energy are not susceptible to the same formal method that revealed and is still revealing Physics.
We need a new science.
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It sure as hell doesn't work with lung cancer. My dad had been sugar free for almost a decade prior to his diagnosis of small cell adenocarcinoma. He lasted almost a year.
Sorry for your loss. Can you elaborate on whether his diet excluded rice, refined grains and any other sort of simple carbs? I was rather shocked to see in the documentary 'Fed Up' that all these carb rich foods get broken down to simple sugar molecules pretty darn quick and as far as the body is concerned are identical to sugar.
Simple carbs are known to cause big spikes in insulin levels. So it's not a sugar-free diet alone, but also one has to contemplate glycemic index and glycemic load of apparently non-sugary foods....
http://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/glycem...
As reflected in the article, the key is keeping the insulin levels at bay.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that medical science today isn't equipped to prove/disprove this kind of medicine. All that would happen if they could convince anyone to even believe the story, which I highly doubt, is one study would be conducted. The scientists would ignore all the diagnosis and individual examination the shaman did, and the study would probably have the participants take a specific amount of a single specific herb…
So the only kind of "science" that could prove this works is to layer on so many confounding effects and other variables that it'd be impossible to tell what, if anything, is happening. Gee, I wonder why rational people are skeptical of that. And to answer your question, no, I do not believe that alternative health systems "developed" over thousands of years work. If they work, then they're medicine. We only use the…
We have to come up with something rigorous to deal with these sorts of things. Whether you call it "science" or not we still have to come to grips with "weird shit".
I know a guy. He's a healer. He can do things that Western science has absolutely no idea about. In point of fact several people who were diagnosed with cancer have worked with him and afterwards were no longer diagnosed with cancer.
This is factual.
Yet good luck getting people in general to take this seriously. No one wants to hear it. My mom's neighbour had breast cancer, she beat it with conventional medicine, more power to her. But she refused even to think about anything outside of the established system. For her it worked.
Personally, I'm very frustrated. I come from a strongly scientific background, so when I meet a person who can fucking cure fucking cancer I would really like to see the scientific establishment take that seriously.
But whatever. I can take some consolation that at least my family and I don't have to worry about cancer, even if I can do nothing to change the zeitgeist of society.
For those of you wondering why this guy wouldn't try to spread the word, well, first of all he does! He talks to anyone he meets and is not shy about it at all. The limiting factor is the people who don't want to hear about crazy shit.
(P.S. If you have cancer and want to talk to my healer friend I can put you in touch. He's in Europe now and kind of retired, and I haven't spoken to him in a year or so, but if you truly need help and feel that this guy is "the one" you can contact me and I'll see about putting you in touch.)
Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death
#119A family member of mine was diagnosed with metastatic cancer and told to get her affairs in order. She went on a strict no sugar diet. 5 years later, she has no sign of cancer. Of course, she also had standard surgery and chemo. But I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the no sugar diet slowed the cancer down enough for the chemo/surgery to be more effective.
My car broke down the other day and I immediately started doing my prayers and sacrifices to the car healing gods. 2 weeks later, my car is running smoothly with no signs of issues! Of course, my mechanic also replaced the engine, but I wouldn't be surprised if my process helped.
She's well aware that her experience is anecdotal and not scientifically rigorous. It's like the joke where the ad exec says "I know I'm wasting half of my advertising budget, I just don't know which half."
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I don't disagree, but I think other people looking at the situation should be able to distinguish the two.
Yes, and it should be told to them correctly. Saw a lot of people die by picking the alternative way only...
I was careful to point out that she did not eschew the standard treatment, and followed all of her oncologist's advice.