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Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

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Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

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> 26 percent of internet-using American households [self-reported in US Census survey] avoided buying goods or services The retail giant [Amazon] tallied $23 billion more in U.S. e-commerce sales in 2015 than 2014, the report found. [1] The difference between reported behavior and actual behavior can be very large. [1] http://s831.us/229QeKz

I've purchased many things from Amazon, and I'm a member of Amazon Prime. I've purchased more items on Amazon this year than I did last year. I've also avoided buying goods and services on the internet because of internet surveillance. You seem to think that's not possible, likely, or common enough that a quarter of households would report it - because Amazon's sales have risen.

Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

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post #33

I will sometimes stop myself from googling something I'm curious about. I imagine a situation where I become falsely accused of a crime and the search I'm about to make coincidentally incriminates me and is discovered with a subpoena.

You're being paranoid, that will never happen. Full stop. I realize this attitude is unpopular around here, and tin-foil hat one-upsmanship is the name of the game, but seriously. Relax. You're over thinking it.

It has happened before, and will happen again. People will be rounded up en masse from lists generated by state intelligence organizations, interrogated, shot, and dumped into mass graves. It may not happen in the US any time soon, but what if you live in Saudi Arabia and the US shares your Google searches with them? How about Singapore? The West Bank? Indonesia? South Korea?

You offer no argument but your own comfortable middle-class security. Relax, you can probably get a job writing the software that makes the list. They'll never use it anyway, and shouldn't we keep an eye on those people?

Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

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I think the best way to be anonymous is to practice pseudo-anonymity and try doing sensitive-looking things ad nauseum until you do the actual anonymous activities for real. Similar to drills, or dry runs. Typically you don't want to do fully fledged Silk-Road type things if you haven't practiced selling lemonade out of the boot of your car at the seaside.

What you typically want to do is know your enemy and threat model. For example, when I got my first Android phone and naively downloaded all the apps I could find, I was super reckless and done some very sensitive things on the phone, and only when I plugged it into Wireshark and realized any number of beacons and analytics scripts running in the background did I stop using it entirely. I now vet all my apps before using them, and if possible, create my own ones where I know exactly what each line of code is doing and why.

In terms of threat modelling, I think things like TOR are sufficient enough to blackout the NSA as long as you're using it correctly and know of all the attacks (previous and current) which are used against TOR. What always annoys me is that people don't include the NSA in their threat model and make up stupid excuses not to use TOR, thereby downgrading the security of others and making the Internet a breeding ground for more spying.

I know TOR is not a silver bullet though, and there are many strategies to compliment TOR like compartmentalization. For example, separating work from play, using disposable email addresses, having no centralized e-mail account for ever single thing you do (a big problem that still hasn't been solved yet). And just general OS hardening. Using OSX over Windows, using disposable VMs (Think Qubes), and paying attention to the last mile of The Internet usually holds us in pretty good stead. Using crypto for everything, and locking shit down with 2FA are two other strategies entirely missing from vast swathes of Netizens too.

Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

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Bullshit. People might be saying it, but it's obviously not true. Commerce is continuing to rise. Social media is continuing to spread across different mediums. Old people who were afraid or couldn't use the net are dying and new young people are coming into the fold. People are now more aware of privacy and security because they are using all the things so much.

Thank you. For a minute, I thought I had wandered into an old folks home and my shins can't take any canings.

What I'm seeing here is a bunch of people afraid and resentful of change: "it ain't like it used to be". Most of the things y'all are griping about were and are inevitable because it's not just the nerds anymore.

Why are y'all even in tech?

Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

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post #33

I will sometimes stop myself from googling something I'm curious about. I imagine a situation where I become falsely accused of a crime and the search I'm about to make coincidentally incriminates me and is discovered with a subpoena.

You're being paranoid, that will never happen. Full stop. I realize this attitude is unpopular around here, and tin-foil hat one-upsmanship is the name of the game, but seriously. Relax. You're over thinking it.

It's already happened. Proof:

http://www.illinoiscourts.gov/opinions/AppellateCourt/2012/1...

But seriously. Stop relaxing so much. The situation has already become worse than you apparently believe possible.

Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

#66
Why are credit card fraud and identity theft so feared? Most often (always?), the bank/credit card company assumes the risk. The worst that will happen is you lose 1h of your time calling them.

My biggest problem with the internet today (like other people in this thread apparently) is that it's becoming quite hard to stay anonymous and having things tied to me is a risk I, most often than not, am not willing to take.

Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being paranoid, that will never happen. Full stop. I realize this attitude is unpopular around here, and tin-foil hat one-upsmanship is the name of the game, but seriously. Relax. You're over thinking it.

It's already happened. Proof: http://www.illinoiscourts.gov/opinions/AppellateCourt/2012/1... But seriously. Stop relaxing so much. The situation has already become worse than you apparently believe possible.

That's not the proof you think it is (even if it does have the words "murder" and "search history" in it). If this is the best supporting evidence you could find, then I'm right, OP doesn't need to worry and can relax.

As long as he doesn't plan a murder several times, tell multiple people about it, solicit people to commit it for him, lie to the police when questioned, and leave multiple pieces of physical evidence he'll be just fine. The search history is one small piece of a large pile of evidence and was not the thing that tipped the scale. Were it not present, the outcome would likely have been the same.

Seriously, relax. You're over thinking it.

Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being paranoid, that will never happen. Full stop. I realize this attitude is unpopular around here, and tin-foil hat one-upsmanship is the name of the game, but seriously. Relax. You're over thinking it.

It has happened before, and will happen again. People will be rounded up en masse from lists generated by state intelligence organizations, interrogated, shot, and dumped into mass graves. It may not happen in the US any time soon, but what if you live in Saudi Arabia and the US shares your Google searches with them? How about Singapore? The West Bank? Indonesia? South Korea? You offer no argument but your own comfor…

That's a pretty manipulative pair of false comparisons, don't you think? To take them in order:

1 - search history of one person has strikingly little to do with mass "rounding up", that's almost always an ethnic/demographic thing

2 - OP isn't in any of those places. Context is important in these discussions, there are lots of things which are safe to do in the United States which are not safe in some of those places; should we stop speaking our minds as well? That's dangerous in all those places.

Re: Americans have stopped using the Internet the way they used to

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already happened. Proof: http://www.illinoiscourts.gov/opinions/AppellateCourt/2012/1... But seriously. Stop relaxing so much. The situation has already become worse than you apparently believe possible.

That's not the proof you think it is (even if it does have the words "murder" and "search history" in it). If this is the best supporting evidence you could find, then I'm right, OP doesn't need to worry and can relax. As long as he doesn't plan a murder several times, tell multiple people about it, solicit people to commit it for him, lie to the police when questioned, and leave multiple pieces of physical evidence…

That was not the best evidence I could find; it was the first evidence I could find, after about fifteen seconds' search. This kind of thing happens all the time. It is not hard to turn up the proof if one cares to look.

You are moving the goalposts. Previous poster said "incriminates me and is discovered with a subpoena". They did not say "to the exclusion of all other evidence". Search histories are already being used as evidence, this is indisputable. Nobody ever claimed they were being used as the only evidence.

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