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A former CIA spy has revealed his key role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela

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Re: A former CIA spy has revealed his key role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela

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Post by nxzero »

cm3 wrote: post #5

The CIA is the reason for most of the unstable regions and it's hard to understand how after messing with other places and making it worse for everybody but weapons manufacturers, they're still doing the same thing over and over. Previously it was the fight against Communism, now Islam, I wonder what it will be in 2020. Middle-east, Asia, South America, all are right to be very angry with the CIA, but turn it into a…

Often wondered what the world would be like if there was an intelligence group that only did good.

Re: A former CIA spy has revealed his key role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela

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Post by ZenoArrow »

cm3 wrote: post #5

The CIA is the reason for most of the unstable regions and it's hard to understand how after messing with other places and making it worse for everybody but weapons manufacturers, they're still doing the same thing over and over. Previously it was the fight against Communism, now Islam, I wonder what it will be in 2020. Middle-east, Asia, South America, all are right to be very angry with the CIA, but turn it into a…

Aside from being aware of the damage the CIA has done in the past, it's worth knowing what damage they're doing right now. Here are a few links about CIA/US government activities in Syria:

http://youtu.be/jjE7lXLOJd4

http://youtu.be/Hc_qNwNuLBo

http://youtu.be/OQuceU3x2Ww

http://youtu.be/PJLR1LhxiN0

http://youtu.be/rLb4vg5p5Zo

Re: A former CIA spy has revealed his key role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela

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Post by nxzero »

hugh4 wrote: post #4

Not really an "admission", he was guilty of the crime for which he was charged.

Given the systematic abuses by the state authority in South Africa, at the time of Mandela's arrest, against the social and civil rights of a certain group of citizens due to ethnic prejudices, believe a some context is worth considering in deciding who was right and wrong.

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Post by rhizome »

nxzero wrote: post #11
cm3 wrote: post #5

The CIA is the reason for most of the unstable regions and it's hard to understand how after messing with other places and making it worse for everybody but weapons manufacturers, they're still doing the same thing over and over. Previously it was the fight against Communism, now Islam, I wonder what it will be in 2020. Middle-east, Asia, South America, all are right to be very angry with the CIA, but turn it into a…

Often wondered what the world would be like if there was an intelligence group that only did good.

What would be the purpose of that agency?

Re: A former CIA spy has revealed his key role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela

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Post by mpweiher »

vidoc wrote: post #6

Oh my God! This can't be true can it? I dont want to wake up tomorrow and learn that the Iraq war adventure was not based on wrong CIA intelligence, but a manufactured one, and 100% of the US political establishment knew it (in addition to basically the rest of the world).

Not sure if trolling... ??

Just for the record: of course large parts of it were manufactured. Some of it was manufactured by a so-called "source", but that source was so in-/non-credible that you wouldn't buy a used hammer from him, never mind a used car. And it was well known that this source was completely non-credible.

In addition, various other bits were combined in ways that the appearance of a threat was manufactured out of pieces of information that both weren't threatening in themselves and also did not constitute a real threat when combined appropriately (the infamous 45 minute claim is among these). For more, see the various UK inquiries regarding "intelligence failures" leading up to the Iraq war.

The difference between that and manufacturing the whole thing from scratch is at best marginal.

Re: A former CIA spy has revealed his key role in the arrest of Nelson Mandela

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Post by cm3 »

rhizome wrote: post #17
nxzero wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often wondered what the world would be like if there was an intelligence group that only did good.

What would be the purpose of that agency?

Well, they could start by actually operating on the intel they have, rather than letting people bomb buildings because they have a long-term goal they don't want to be disturbed by revealing a bomb plot.
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