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An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Needs more studies. Armchair analysts find it intuitive though, but we don't know for sure yet.

This is the best way to describe just about any diet or exercise ideas floated on HN.

People also tend to very much forget that cancer is not a disease, but a class of diseases. Not all cancers will respond equally to the same treatments.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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This seems unlikely. I mean it would be such a simple experiment to do. Give a few rats cancer, and give them different diets. See how long they live. Surely that's already been done, and if the results were so positive, surely we would know about them.

Ketogenic diets have been tested and have proven to be significantly beneficial to cancer patients.

Well then I'm wrong. But I trust that a lot more than a single anecdote about someone's grandma.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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I want to know whether they're dedicating their lives to winning a Nobel prize and saving billions of lives with this magical cure. If not, why not? They had fatal cancers cured in just a few months with no treatment, and then just went back to work and forgot about it? Also, if the essence is fasting, why did they need to go see a shaman in Peru?

That's a good question. I moved to another city and had no chance (and interest) to know what they were doing after the recovery. I'll try to figure it out. You made me curious. I see you want more data, but, unfortunately, I cannot provide you with any other details. I don't like your tone and would love to close this thread. Thank you.

I just don't understand. You clearly believe that their method cured their cancer. But you lost interest From there? I obviously don't believe their method works, but if I did, I wouldn't just shuffle off to do something else. I just don't understand how you, and these cured scientists could all just shrug at this incredibly miraculous and basically free cure of a horrible disease that will kill tens of millions of people this year alone.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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This is the best way to describe just about any diet or exercise ideas floated on HN.

People also tend to very much forget that cancer is not a disease, but a class of diseases. Not all cancers will respond equally to the same treatments.

Can you give an example of a disease that responds equally to the same treatment in all people?

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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A family member of mine was diagnosed with metastatic cancer and told to get her affairs in order. She went on a strict no sugar diet. 5 years later, she has no sign of cancer. Of course, she also had standard surgery and chemo. But I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the no sugar diet slowed the cancer down enough for the chemo/surgery to be more effective.

My car broke down the other day and I immediately started doing my prayers and sacrifices to the car healing gods. 2 weeks later, my car is running smoothly with no signs of issues! Of course, my mechanic also replaced the engine, but I wouldn't be surprised if my process helped.

Fructose is crack for cancer.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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post #64

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People also tend to very much forget that cancer is not a disease, but a class of diseases. Not all cancers will respond equally to the same treatments.

Can you give an example of a disease that responds equally to the same treatment in all people?

I'm not talking about across different people; I'm talking about different types of cancer.

The causes and treatments for lymphatic cancers are different from lung cancers are different from breast cancers are different from prostate cancers are different from brain cancers are different from liver cancers, ad infinitum.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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I was recently shocked and practically offended to read guidelines on what to eat while undergoing chemo[1]. It was a high-sugar diet, basically (milkshakes were encouraged !). I couldn't imagine anything worse than shocking your body with radiation, and then providing cancer cells with all the sugar they need for growth. Hopefully the ideas in this article start to affect public health policy and guidelines. 1: http…

Well. Change is hard, structure of scientific revolutions and all that. Back when I had chemo, nutrition wasn't even discussed. I got strange looks just by asking about it.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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TL;DR: Cancer cell live on glucose... keep levels down

Simple-minded. That may slow, delay or avoid run-away growth & metastasis (of many not all cancers) but not any&all unwanted growths, because blood glucose never can go to 0. Cancer cells once sufficiently isolated from the immune system also love glutamine, other amino acids and vitamins. How long do you want to restrict all those? Ever heard of cachexia? With no food coming in, nutrients from the blood get scavenged by the baddies as bodily reserves are depleted. What then?

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Dichloroacetic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichloroacetic_acid#Cancer

Can't be patent protected, hence clinical trials are very difficult (to fund) but are under way for limited applications: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24297161

The mechanism of action targets the unique cancer cells energy metabolism.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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post #57

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Ketogenic diets have been tested and have proven to be significantly beneficial to cancer patients.

Well then I'm wrong. But I trust that a lot more than a single anecdote about someone's grandma.

The already mentioned podcast on this topic is very good: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2015/11/03/dominic-dagostino/
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