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An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

andreygrehov wrote: post #49
galuggus wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the worst things about cancer is hearing stories like this all the time. It's really unhelpful and very draining to have your body undergo hell and your mind besieged by well=intentioned idiots telling you to expel toxins/ pray the cancer away/ stop eating this.

Agree. Maybe this is all a coincidence they both survived and the other guy passed away. Have no idea. Shared what I know. Nothing less, nothing more.

You don't really know anything of value about this though. Are you an oncologist? Did you see her scans and test results? Have you been to her follow ups? Talked with her doctors? Do you even know the name of this magical herb that cures cancer but has somehow eluded the attention of thousands of researchers desperate to save hundreds of millions of suffering people, including their own loved ones?

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

andreygrehov wrote: post #41

A friend of mine (she is a microbiologist, let's call her Lucy) was diagnosed with Uterine cancer. Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks. She decided to avoid "traditional treatment". Instead, she shared her issue with various professors from the university she is working at. One of the professors (another friend of mine) advised her to go to the Republic of Peru. He…

Doesn't it strike you as incredibly shady or selfish that these scientists who had their cancer cured haven't bothered to tell the world about it?

Or if they're currently researching it to help others not die from cancers that can be easily cured, please point us to their work.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#53

Post by andreygrehov »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #51
andreygrehov wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. Maybe this is all a coincidence they both survived and the other guy passed away. Have no idea. Shared what I know. Nothing less, nothing more.

You don't really know anything of value about this though. Are you an oncologist? Did you see her scans and test results? Have you been to her follow ups? Talked with her doctors? Do you even know the name of this magical herb that cures cancer but has somehow eluded the attention of thousands of researchers desperate to save hundreds of millions of suffering people, including their own loved ones?

Ryan, there is no magical herb. The gist of treatment was fasting. I have no idea what kind of diet it was. Do you want to know more? I can ask her details and the other guy who survived by sticking to the same diet.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#54

Post by crikli »

bandushrew wrote: post #39
tptacek wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sucks, and I'm sorry. But: chiming in to clarify: it's not "stop eating to starve cancer"; its, "change diet to route energy through metabolic pathways that cancer is disadvantaged for".

The parents point is valid though. If not eating sugar could slow (all) cancers, then not eating at all would clearly cover that case, and should have slowed the lung cancer. At the very least, his anecdote is convincing to me that it "starving the cancer" doesn't work with lung cancer. In the more general sense though my first impression of the phrase "route energy through metabolic pathways that cancer is disadvant…

It sure as hell doesn't work with lung cancer. My dad had been sugar free for almost a decade prior to his diagnosis of small cell adenocarcinoma. He lasted almost a year.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

andreygrehov wrote: post #53
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't really know anything of value about this though. Are you an oncologist? Did you see her scans and test results? Have you been to her follow ups? Talked with her doctors? Do you even know the name of this magical herb that cures cancer but has somehow eluded the attention of thousands of researchers desperate to save hundreds of millions of suffering people, including their own loved ones?

Ryan, there is no magical herb. The gist of treatment was fasting. I have no idea what kind of diet it was. Do you want to know more? I can ask her details and the other guy who survived by sticking to the same diet.

I want to know whether they're dedicating their lives to winning a Nobel prize and saving billions of lives with this magical cure. If not, why not? They had fatal cancers cured in just a few months with no treatment, and then just went back to work and forgot about it?

Also, if the essence is fasting, why did they need to go see a shaman in Peru?

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#56

Post by Houshalter »

WalterBright wrote: post #3

A family member of mine was diagnosed with metastatic cancer and told to get her affairs in order. She went on a strict no sugar diet. 5 years later, she has no sign of cancer. Of course, she also had standard surgery and chemo. But I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the no sugar diet slowed the cancer down enough for the chemo/surgery to be more effective.

This seems unlikely. I mean it would be such a simple experiment to do. Give a few rats cancer, and give them different diets. See how long they live. Surely that's already been done, and if the results were so positive, surely we would know about them.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by biokoda »

Houshalter wrote: post #56
WalterBright wrote: post #3

A family member of mine was diagnosed with metastatic cancer and told to get her affairs in order. She went on a strict no sugar diet. 5 years later, she has no sign of cancer. Of course, she also had standard surgery and chemo. But I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the no sugar diet slowed the cancer down enough for the chemo/surgery to be more effective.

This seems unlikely. I mean it would be such a simple experiment to do. Give a few rats cancer, and give them different diets. See how long they live. Surely that's already been done, and if the results were so positive, surely we would know about them.

Ketogenic diets have been tested and have proven to be significantly beneficial to cancer patients.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by andreygrehov »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #55
andreygrehov wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ryan, there is no magical herb. The gist of treatment was fasting. I have no idea what kind of diet it was. Do you want to know more? I can ask her details and the other guy who survived by sticking to the same diet.

I want to know whether they're dedicating their lives to winning a Nobel prize and saving billions of lives with this magical cure. If not, why not? They had fatal cancers cured in just a few months with no treatment, and then just went back to work and forgot about it? Also, if the essence is fasting, why did they need to go see a shaman in Peru?

That's a good question. I moved to another city and had no chance (and interest) to know what they were doing after the recovery. I'll try to figure it out. You made me curious.

I see you want more data, but, unfortunately, I cannot provide you with any other details. I don't like your tone and would love to close this thread. Thank you.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

biokoda wrote: post #57
Houshalter wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems unlikely. I mean it would be such a simple experiment to do. Give a few rats cancer, and give them different diets. See how long they live. Surely that's already been done, and if the results were so positive, surely we would know about them.

Ketogenic diets have been tested and have proven to be significantly beneficial to cancer patients.

Have their been any decent-sized rigorous human studies on this? I see a few small ones but I may be looking in the wrong place.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by [deleted] »

andreygrehov wrote: post #58
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to know whether they're dedicating their lives to winning a Nobel prize and saving billions of lives with this magical cure. If not, why not? They had fatal cancers cured in just a few months with no treatment, and then just went back to work and forgot about it? Also, if the essence is fasting, why did they need to go see a shaman in Peru?

That's a good question. I moved to another city and had no chance (and interest) to know what they were doing after the recovery. I'll try to figure it out. You made me curious. I see you want more data, but, unfortunately, I cannot provide you with any other details. I don't like your tone and would love to close this thread. Thank you.

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