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An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by andreygrehov »

A friend of mine (she is a microbiologist, let's call her Lucy) was diagnosed with Uterine cancer. Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks. She decided to avoid "traditional treatment". Instead, she shared her issue with various professors from the university she is working at. One of the professors (another friend of mine) advised her to go to the Republic of Peru. He gave her contacts of his friend who's already been there and suggested to talk to him first. Lucy got in touch with this guy, he convinced her to go and in a week or so she was already in Peru.

In Peru, Lucy met some sort of a shaman. He wrote down her a list of things she must eat and things to avoid. This list also contained some herb, that she had to eat during the 2-3 months she was there.

After a few months, she got back home. 6 months after - no cancer. Year after this all happened she was dancing at my sister's wedding, healthy and happy.

Now as for the Peru guy and the friend of my friend who been there :) He had a brother. They both got cancer. One of the brothers decided to go with traditional treatment (radiation and all that). The other one went to Peru.

Long story short: the one who picked traditional methods died many years ago. The other one (who convinced Lucy to go) - completely recovered.

As far as I know, overall treatment was less than $5,000. If I'm not wrong, this was including rent + air flight.

I must add, that Lucy lost 45 pounds within a year. During my sister's wedding, she was only eating some oceanic fish and rice.

Edit:

This is just a short story from people I know in person. All of them are scientists working at university, doing researches on molecular genetics & microbiology.

I'm not even sure the guy in Peru was a shaman. That's just how I called him here. I just don't believe he was a real doctor. The gist of the whole treatment was fasting, not a herb.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#42

Post by [deleted] »

andreygrehov wrote: post #41

A friend of mine (she is a microbiologist, let's call her Lucy) was diagnosed with Uterine cancer. Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks. She decided to avoid "traditional treatment". Instead, she shared her issue with various professors from the university she is working at. One of the professors (another friend of mine) advised her to go to the Republic of Peru. He…

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Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#43

Post by ryanwaggoner »

WalterBright wrote: post #3

A family member of mine was diagnosed with metastatic cancer and told to get her affairs in order. She went on a strict no sugar diet. 5 years later, she has no sign of cancer. Of course, she also had standard surgery and chemo. But I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the no sugar diet slowed the cancer down enough for the chemo/surgery to be more effective.

My car broke down the other day and I immediately started doing my prayers and sacrifices to the car healing gods. 2 weeks later, my car is running smoothly with no signs of issues!

Of course, my mechanic also replaced the engine, but I wouldn't be surprised if my process helped.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#44

Post by ryanwaggoner »

andreygrehov wrote: post #41

A friend of mine (she is a microbiologist, let's call her Lucy) was diagnosed with Uterine cancer. Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks. She decided to avoid "traditional treatment". Instead, she shared her issue with various professors from the university she is working at. One of the professors (another friend of mine) advised her to go to the Republic of Peru. He…

This is a scam, pure and simple. People die from this shit needlessly all the time. Doesn't uterine cancer have a very high survival rate with proper treatment? But no, this "microbiologist" treks off to the Peruvian jungle to spend a measly $5k for a magical herb that cures cancer! Doctors hate this one weird trick!

If you or someone you know has cancer, go see an oncologist, not a freaking shaman.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#45

Post by andreygrehov »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #44
andreygrehov wrote: post #41

A friend of mine (she is a microbiologist, let's call her Lucy) was diagnosed with Uterine cancer. Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks. She decided to avoid "traditional treatment". Instead, she shared her issue with various professors from the university she is working at. One of the professors (another friend of mine) advised her to go to the Republic of Peru. He…

This is a scam, pure and simple. People die from this shit needlessly all the time. Doesn't uterine cancer have a very high survival rate with proper treatment? But no, this "microbiologist" treks off to the Peruvian jungle to spend a measly $5k for a magical herb that cures cancer! Doctors hate this one weird trick! If you or someone you know has cancer, go see an oncologist, not a freaking shaman.

> Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#46

Post by aangjie »

bandushrew wrote: post #39
tptacek wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sucks, and I'm sorry. But: chiming in to clarify: it's not "stop eating to starve cancer"; its, "change diet to route energy through metabolic pathways that cancer is disadvantaged for".

The parents point is valid though. If not eating sugar could slow (all) cancers, then not eating at all would clearly cover that case, and should have slowed the lung cancer. At the very least, his anecdote is convincing to me that it "starving the cancer" doesn't work with lung cancer. In the more general sense though my first impression of the phrase "route energy through metabolic pathways that cancer is disadvant…

> If not eating sugar could slow (all) cancers, then not eating at all would clearly cover that case, and should have slowed the lung cancer.

Umm.. This sounds to me to be very simplistic thinking. What about the effects of complete starving on the immune system for example?. Or for that matter, the proposed no sugar diet triggers some mechanisms from here. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_immunology)

I do agree, it's not yet accepted through experiments via the scientific method though.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#47

Post by galuggus »

andreygrehov wrote: post #41

A friend of mine (she is a microbiologist, let's call her Lucy) was diagnosed with Uterine cancer. Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks. She decided to avoid "traditional treatment". Instead, she shared her issue with various professors from the university she is working at. One of the professors (another friend of mine) advised her to go to the Republic of Peru. He…

One of the worst things about cancer is hearing stories like this all the time. It's really unhelpful and very draining to have your body undergo hell and your mind besieged by well=intentioned idiots telling you to expel toxins/ pray the cancer away/ stop eating this.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#48

Post by ryanwaggoner »

andreygrehov wrote: post #45
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a scam, pure and simple. People die from this shit needlessly all the time. Doesn't uterine cancer have a very high survival rate with proper treatment? But no, this "microbiologist" treks off to the Peruvian jungle to spend a measly $5k for a magical herb that cures cancer! Doctors hate this one weird trick! If you or someone you know has cancer, go see an oncologist, not a freaking shaman.

> Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks.

Sorry, I've heard all this before. My family is packed with people who "know someone" who amazed all the doctors by curing their cancers with weird diets, herbs, and prayers. I don't buy any of it. Unless you have some data, it's basically worthless noise.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

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Post by andreygrehov »

galuggus wrote: post #47
andreygrehov wrote: post #41

A friend of mine (she is a microbiologist, let's call her Lucy) was diagnosed with Uterine cancer. Oncologist told her they have to remove her womb, otherwise she'll die in a couple weeks. She decided to avoid "traditional treatment". Instead, she shared her issue with various professors from the university she is working at. One of the professors (another friend of mine) advised her to go to the Republic of Peru. He…

One of the worst things about cancer is hearing stories like this all the time. It's really unhelpful and very draining to have your body undergo hell and your mind besieged by well=intentioned idiots telling you to expel toxins/ pray the cancer away/ stop eating this.

Agree. Maybe this is all a coincidence they both survived and the other guy passed away. Have no idea. Shared what I know. Nothing less, nothing more.

Re: An Old Idea, Revived: Starve Cancer to Death

#50

Post by swyman »

bandushrew wrote: post #39
tptacek wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sucks, and I'm sorry. But: chiming in to clarify: it's not "stop eating to starve cancer"; its, "change diet to route energy through metabolic pathways that cancer is disadvantaged for".

The parents point is valid though. If not eating sugar could slow (all) cancers, then not eating at all would clearly cover that case, and should have slowed the lung cancer. At the very least, his anecdote is convincing to me that it "starving the cancer" doesn't work with lung cancer. In the more general sense though my first impression of the phrase "route energy through metabolic pathways that cancer is disadvant…

> In the more general sense though my first impression of the phrase "route energy through metabolic pathways that cancer is disadvantaged for" is that it sounds like random word salad.

"Eat food that cancer/tumors don't like as much as sugar."

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