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Hidden Microphones Part of Government Surveillance Program in the Bay Area

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Post by mschuster91 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #7
CamperBob2 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true we are moving into a scary world pretty much like 1984 where everything you do is monitored all the time. Well, not everything. Plant a GPS tracker on a police car or a bug in the restroom at FBI headquarters and you'll soon discover some troubling asymmetries in the modern post-privacy paradigm.

You don't even need to go that far. Try to find the salary scales or FOIA the salary data of police. In most places, they cook up some reason why it's protected information. In many states, every aspect of public employee compensation is publicly available. As it should be. Public safety folks are usually exempt.

In Germany, these are (relatively) public; on the shoulder flaps of any regular police officer (except the riot police ) you have the rank insignia which allows one to approximate the salary level.

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Post by mtgx »

mike_hock wrote: post #4

> If you're going to conduct criminal activity, do it in the privacy of your own home. > That was the original intention of the 4th amendment. Wat. The intention of the 4th amendment was to enable criminal activity, but confine it to private property? Not to protect citizens' privacy from government snooping without probable cause? The intent was to prevent the executive branch from indiscriminately "searching" (and…

> If you're going to conduct criminal activity, do it in the privacy of your own home.

Meanwhile:

http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/the-fbi-can-neither-confirm-n...

Soon they'll say "if you're going to do or say 'bad stuff', just do it in your own head". And then we'll have technologies that can read and "hear" what our brains think all around us.

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Post by BurningFrog »

mike_hock wrote: post #4

> If you're going to conduct criminal activity, do it in the privacy of your own home. > That was the original intention of the 4th amendment. Wat. The intention of the 4th amendment was to enable criminal activity, but confine it to private property? Not to protect citizens' privacy from government snooping without probable cause? The intent was to prevent the executive branch from indiscriminately "searching" (and…

With the semi-libertarian concept of "crime" the founders had, it is quite hard to commit a crime in your own home.

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Post by Aelinsaar »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #3
maxxxxx wrote: post #2

If that's true we are moving into a scary world pretty much like 1984 where everything you do is monitored all the time. Add voice, face recognition, surveillance drones, cheap data storage and AI to the mix it seems pretty soon everything you do in a public place will be recorded and analyzed. And all this can be done fully automated. I hope people will recognize that some laws need to change. Surveillance makes sen…

If that's true we are moving into a scary world pretty much like 1984 where everything you do is monitored all the time. Well, not everything. Plant a GPS tracker on a police car or a bug in the restroom at FBI headquarters and you'll soon discover some troubling asymmetries in the modern post-privacy paradigm.

If there aren't already intelligent criminals using the police's own tech and tactics against them, I would be very surprised.

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

pessimizer wrote: post #9
mike_hock wrote: post #4

> If you're going to conduct criminal activity, do it in the privacy of your own home. > That was the original intention of the 4th amendment. Wat. The intention of the 4th amendment was to enable criminal activity, but confine it to private property? Not to protect citizens' privacy from government snooping without probable cause? The intent was to prevent the executive branch from indiscriminately "searching" (and…

And why pretend that the privacy of your home is so special? The only thing keeping laser microphones from being aimed at all of our windows is a 5-4 decision in Kylio v. US, and Scalia is dead, and Clinton is going to be appointing the next Supreme Court justice. Clinton (DLC) Democrats love surveillance even more than Bushes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._Unit…

>Clinton (DLC) Democrats love surveillance even more than Bushes.

I'd disagree. The complete and absolute infatuation with surveillance by both the Bush's and the Clinton's is the same.

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Post by lawpoop »

pessimizer wrote: post #9
mike_hock wrote: post #4

> If you're going to conduct criminal activity, do it in the privacy of your own home. > That was the original intention of the 4th amendment. Wat. The intention of the 4th amendment was to enable criminal activity, but confine it to private property? Not to protect citizens' privacy from government snooping without probable cause? The intent was to prevent the executive branch from indiscriminately "searching" (and…

And why pretend that the privacy of your home is so special? The only thing keeping laser microphones from being aimed at all of our windows is a 5-4 decision in Kylio v. US, and Scalia is dead, and Clinton is going to be appointing the next Supreme Court justice. Clinton (DLC) Democrats love surveillance even more than Bushes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._Unit…

First, Supreme Court Justices are pretty much inscrutable as far as their jurisprudence before they join the bench (see: just about any justice in modern history). Knowing anything about the president's political leanings tells us next to nothing about how their nominees will decide cases, beyond knowing the nominee themself.

Second, as soon as Trump and Clinton are locked in (after the conventions), the Republicans will cave on Merrick Garland, rather than have Clinton nominate someone. The next Supreme Court justice is Merrick Garland, an Obama nominee.

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Post by jamesdwilson »

cornchips wrote: post #15

Anyone have a copy of the video working? Whoever made this site should have their contract dumped off the bridge in the background.. Edit: Working with all adblock and flashblock completely disabled. Edit: Clarify what should be dumped.

> Whoever made this site should be dumped off the bridge in the background..

What exactly did you mean by that? CBSLOCAL.com editor? should be murdered? why?

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