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Re: Ask HN: What's the best tool you used to use that doesn't exist anymore?

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The Telephone with Dial Tone and associated Busy Signal. A busy signal meant nobody could contact me; Also, by either not answering the phone or by simply taking the receiver off the hook I controlled interruptions. And, nobody became concerned if they did not hear from me in an hour, 1/2 day, day or even week. And I had no concern if I did not hear from others either in that timeframe. So the "tool" to maintain priv…

Maybe it's just me but I feel that it was also much easier to get to actually speak to someone on the phone back then. We usually knew when we could reach someone and call during those timeframes. If we didn't get a reply we knew they were out and call the next day. Nowadays it's much more rare to get an answer when calling a mobile phone. Either the person has left it in the next room or it's out of battery, it's in silent mode and the person doesn't hear it, etc. So people usually tend to resort to text messages, which is a highly ineffective way to communicate in many situations.

Also old telephones never took the initiative to call someone from their owner's pocket ;)

Re: Ask HN: What's the best tool you used to use that doesn't exist anymore?

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A phone with a proper SSH client and a real keyboard; I have owned and loved (in this order) the Nokia E71 and N900, HTC Desire Z, Motorola Droid 4 and Photon Q. But now I am out of options, as there are no worthy successors to any of these devices. Modern phones and tablets are not about production, but only about consuming. A lot of thought goes into the output devices, but the only input device - the touchscreen -…

Android devices with bluetooth can connect to hardware keyboards ranging from tiny things to full-size desktop keyboards. They aren't good for use on the bus or while walking, but if you can take the time to sit down and pull out your keyboard, it can work quite well.

Re: Ask HN: What's the best tool you used to use that doesn't exist anymore?

#526

Jasc Paint Shop Pro. This tool had the useful half of Illustrator's features and the useful half of Photoshop's, it was blazing fast, and it combined them in a single program so you could mix vector and raster layers. This made it absolutely perfect for web-targeted graphics work. It was the first software I legally bought because it was so good and still affordable (a fraction of the price of Adobe's stuff - somethi…

I still use it on Ubuntu, with Wine. It runs almost flawlessly and it's so much better than all the image editing tools out there (most are crap, Gimp is too bloated).

Re: Ask HN: What's the best tool you used to use that doesn't exist anymore?

#527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It had a non-rapacious future.

But Java is still as free as it was when SUNW was still a ticker symbol. Oracle hasn't done anything to kill OpenJDK and start charging for new versions or anything like that. I feel that this demonization of Oracle and the concomitant sanctification of Google in this fight between two profit driven corporations is somewhat misguided.

A little more nuance: it's not only that Oracle is bad, but that Sun was good.

Oracle's business model is about extracting value; whereas Sun was about building platforms (which they did several times). Oracle has a history of squeezing open projects and alienating developers. You're right, they've taken care not to completely chew up the tremendous business value of Java, only test-nibbling at the edges: projects like Hudson (now Jenkins), changes to JCP, cutting evangelists.

Many key people left Sun before or soon after the acquisition. Oracle is a different place to work, being sales-focused. It's not entirely due to Oracle though; the game had changed and Sun was no longer leading.

It's not specific changes to java, but changes to the philosophy of the java custodian. These determine its future.

BTW: I can't speak for the other upvoters, but I think Google was clearly in the wrong. They knew it, Sun knew it - but let them get away with it because a new platform was good for java (NB cf. Sun litigated MS for fragmenting java). In contrast, Oracle is suing Google for revenue, not for any platform.

So... although Google is the bad guy, it illustrates the different philosophies of Sun vs Oracle.

In this sense the old java - its philosophy and its future - "doesn't exist anymore". :(

Re: Ask HN: What's the best tool you used to use that doesn't exist anymore?

#528

Greplin (YC W10). It pivoted to Cue then shut down. I haven't found anything else to answer "I know I have read about that, but where?" as well.

> It pivoted to Cue then shut down

http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/03/cue-acquired-for-over-40m-l...

Re: Ask HN: What's the best tool you used to use that doesn't exist anymore?

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post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> E-Mail before we lost the "text should be text and not goddamn HTML" war. I am still fighting, and the war is not over.

You're pretty much the equivalent of the Japanese soldier who got stranded in the Philippines and kept fighting WWII until the 1970s. HTML mail won . If you work in an office they will use either Exchange or Google Apps; Exchange's default configuration is a fuck you to text-based mail clients.   Hope you like all your email looking like this, because the only response you’ll get from your sysadmin should…

Perhaps, but why give up if you're not missing any benefit? I still pretty much can rely on something not being readable as plain text also not being worth my time.
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