Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
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Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#2Is this a common practice in Europe /US? It seems ridiculous that the WiFi provider would be held liable for such a thing. Why stop there, should make the ISP liable too!
Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#3Is this a common practice in Europe /US? It seems ridiculous that the WiFi provider would be held liable for such a thing. Why stop there, should make the ISP liable too!
No. That's a Germany thing and it resulted in the conplete lack of public wifi hotspots.
Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#4Is this a common practice in Europe /US? It seems ridiculous that the WiFi provider would be held liable for such a thing. Why stop there, should make the ISP liable too!
No, it's just Germany that has this stupid rule. Yes, it's ridiculous but has that ever kept politicians from implementing legislation?
Germany is particularly notorious when it comes to useless, ridiculous and downright detrimental laws regarding anything that has to do with the Internet, notable examples being the so-called 'Leistungsschutzrecht' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leistungsschutzrecht ) and the 'Impressumspflicht' (legal notice requirements for websites)
Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#5I think there should be a law that would disallow passwords for public wifi.
passwords are soooo annoying (is that a 1, l, or I?) & if everyone had open wifi, then it could be utilized much more, lowering everyone's wireless carrier usage. also, you wouldn't need to worry about someone using too much bandwidth -- it would happen, but i doubt more frequently than with the passwords. Well, wifi could be throttled if it were really a problem.
Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#6I think there should be a law that would disallow passwords for public wifi. passwords are soooo annoying (is that a 1, l, or I?) & if everyone had open wifi, then it could be utilized much more, lowering everyone's wireless carrier usage. also, you wouldn't need to worry about someone using too much bandwidth -- it would happen, but i doubt more frequently than with the passwords. Well, wifi could be throttled if it…
If it's got a password, it's not really public wifi. Isn't it usually complementary wifi for patrons of a particular business?
Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#7I think there should be a law that would disallow passwords for public wifi. passwords are soooo annoying (is that a 1, l, or I?) & if everyone had open wifi, then it could be utilized much more, lowering everyone's wireless carrier usage. also, you wouldn't need to worry about someone using too much bandwidth -- it would happen, but i doubt more frequently than with the passwords. Well, wifi could be throttled if it…
If it's got a password, it's not really public wifi. Isn't it usually complementary wifi for patrons of a particular business?
I think he might be referring to "public" but not public wifi, like coffee shops etc.
I've long thought that if your business is using public unlicensed spectrum then you should be required to let the public in.
A very large national phone carrier in my country is blanketing the cities with wifi reserved for their customers - using a public resource and clogging up the unlicensed spectrum for private gain. They've already bought a lot of spectrum licenses, but clearly using public spectrum is a cost-effective way to add capacity.
Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#8The wording of the proposed law is not published yet and there are good reasons (including statements by the involved ministries) to believe that it does not really have the effect they claim.
Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's got a password, it's not really public wifi. Isn't it usually complementary wifi for patrons of a particular business?
I think he might be referring to "public" but not public wifi, like coffee shops etc. I've long thought that if your business is using public unlicensed spectrum then you should be required to let the public in. A very large national phone carrier in my country is blanketing the cities with wifi reserved for their customers - using a public resource and clogging up the unlicensed spectrum for private gain. They've al…
Ugh.. and it is so hard to actually get on those wifi networks -- at least as a traveller. They'll give it free to mobile customers, who never bother to use it.
Yes, I was referring to cafe / resto wifi. If one opens it, then people take advantage, but if everyone opens theirs, then nobody bothers. Only some really cheapskate neighbors who most probably don't consume all that much of it anyways.
everybody has a smartphone now, most don't bother asking for the wifi password. If you ask for it, then often the next problem is the router doesn't work because nobody has used it in so long.
Re: Germany plans to remove owner liability for piracy on open Wi-Fi hotspots–report
#10I think there should be a law that would disallow passwords for public wifi. passwords are soooo annoying (is that a 1, l, or I?) & if everyone had open wifi, then it could be utilized much more, lowering everyone's wireless carrier usage. also, you wouldn't need to worry about someone using too much bandwidth -- it would happen, but i doubt more frequently than with the passwords. Well, wifi could be throttled if it…
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