I'm really surprised that more companies aren't open about their intangibles that set them apart. Why can't I search for jobs based on location, dress code, office layout? Because I want to wear jeans, have a short commute, and sit in a private office. Or at least not a godforsaken open office layout. When it comes to internal line of business apps, let's face it, most of the work is the same. It's the individuals that you'll be working with + aforementioned intangibles that differentiate.
Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
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Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
You tell them your real salary? I always gave them a number that was closer to my target range.
That's potentially fraud.
I was new to the industry and the recruiters would get me offers for 3-5k more than my extremely low starting salary. The only way to make it work was to tell them that I was paid better at my job. Then they would give me opportunities in the right range. When speaking with a potential employer, I would always be honest (if asked). That is a different relationship.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
In what way? Who is harmed? In which jurisdiction?
Your salary involves two parties, and you are only one of them. The other party is your employer. By stating an untrue salary, you're fraudulently claiming that your current or previous employer (usually known to your negotiating counterparty) agreed to pay you the stated amount. It's somewhat like lying about a credential.
There is no legal obligation for you to be truthful when asked that question. You're not entering into a contract of any kind at that point.
The salary negotiation is a completely separate event.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#144AngelList is great and it's (part of) how I got my current position.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
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I never read the cover letters, nor the "objective" on a resume. I do invest a lot of time finding the right people to join our team, but in a resume, my choice to move you to a phone screen will never hinge on those details, and nothing in your resume matters much once we start actually talking. I don't mean to detract from your overall assessment -- i think you've made good points. Edit: My resume advice? Give me y…
I could not disagree more about listing only skills you've mastered. As long as you're honest about your proficiency, you should absolutely list skills apart from just what you've mastered. In every job I've ever had, skills that fell way outside the core areas that I have mastered have been critical for success, and skills that were huge parts of the job description, hazing interviews, and smack in the middle of my…
Ding ding ding! Exactly this.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#146I despise recruiters with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, so I try to avoid them as much as possible. That leaves me (and you) with a few viable options: 1) Use a matching service like interviewing.io or TripleByte to get connected directly with companies. (Effectiveness: Questionable but promising) 2) Use a job listing site like Indeed.com to find positions that you're interested in applying to. (Effectiveness…
I never read the cover letters, nor the "objective" on a resume. I do invest a lot of time finding the right people to join our team, but in a resume, my choice to move you to a phone screen will never hinge on those details, and nothing in your resume matters much once we start actually talking. I don't mean to detract from your overall assessment -- i think you've made good points. Edit: My resume advice? Give me y…
Yea big thing I look for is that any skills listed are backed up for how they were applied in the work history. And no I don't care that you have used Windows 95,98,XP,NT,Windows 7, etc.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#147A lot of companies post their job listings on their own site, then stick the same descriptions on recruiters' sites.
The job posting sites often seem to mix it up and purposely anonymize these job descriptions, but they're pretty lazy. You can google little unique sounding bits of the description and find the actual company.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#148Mileage may vary but recruiters fill a networking gap and are useful to outsiders for getting a foot in the door.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#149Hi there!
Why not give us a try at http://www.thinksquare.io :)
We use A.I to match you with jobs, your profile is hidden from companies until you accept a match.
Once you accept and the company accepts as well, you'll be connected with the hiring manager.
FYI we're mostly live in Canada, a few positions in the US and Europe. However, we're moving into the remote space very soon if that potentially interests you.