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Not a Hacker or a Hipster – How I Got My First Startup Job

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post #8

> talk to people around you, they’re surprisingly willing to be involved in what you’re doing if it’s interesting and not too onerous for them. Counters the general assumption that if you talk to strangers they’ll think you’re crazy. Maybe if you're a young woman (as the author is) approaching someone at a coffee shop, then sure. Reverse the genders and watch the interaction take on a dramatically different character…

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post #14

I LOLed so hard at "The thing was at first I couldn’t find one start-up I wanted to devote the next year or so of my life to building." Hint: startup is more like 7-10y+ unless you're just playing at it, or it fails. If you go into it expecting it to be a year, it probably will be.

I think it's a fair characterization of some sort of minimum commitment as an employee. Especially if you're new to the industry sticking around for 5+ years is going to be a waste of time, rarely will the company match your market value.

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post #7

I wonder how to apply this as an engineer. I'm looking around but finding very little that excites me.

Where are you looking? OP's idea of talking to people in coffee shops obviously only works in certain cities. If you're not in such a location, you need to look online.

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post #22
post #14

I LOLed so hard at "The thing was at first I couldn’t find one start-up I wanted to devote the next year or so of my life to building." Hint: startup is more like 7-10y+ unless you're just playing at it, or it fails. If you go into it expecting it to be a year, it probably will be.

I think it's a fair characterization of some sort of minimum commitment as an employee. Especially if you're new to the industry sticking around for 5+ years is going to be a waste of time, rarely will the company match your market value.

Keep in mind what was written in the article regarding the author's job at the time was:

  The job was technically sales ...
And:

  Yesterday was my last day there as I’m
  now moving on to something new — planning
  to develop my currently non-existent
  technical skills full time.
So categorizing the author as being new "to the industry" at that point in time (2015/07/30) is nonsensical unless peripheral exposure counts. Not to say this remains the case, mind you, just that the perspective you describe is not applicable to the person the author was at that time.

I will add that a person actually in the industry would be wise to "stick around" their first job or two for at least a year. Failing to do so is a red flag for many companies as bouncing around early in the CV is often interpreted as leaving before being fired.

Re: Not a Hacker or a Hipster – How I Got My First Startup Job

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What cracks me up is this proclamation made by said author[0]: Over the 200 waking hours, I managed to hit the standard needed. It felt like multiple lucky answers and lots of Googling that got me there, but that’s how learning works. I learnt enough Javascript to get accepted onto the course and I spent another 3 months, with 15 others, Googling things together and creating a new app each week. Now I’m being paid to…

200 hours self-taught followed by 3 months at, say, 80 hours a week is 1160 hours in total. I imagine there are people who spend less time learning to code during a 3 year university course. Plus her learning would be very specifically focused on startup-oriented JavaScript instead of trying to cover everything. I see no reason why the statement "So I can code." should be wrong.

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a fair characterization of some sort of minimum commitment as an employee. Especially if you're new to the industry sticking around for 5+ years is going to be a waste of time, rarely will the company match your market value.

Keep in mind what was written in the article regarding the author's job at the time was: The job was technically sales ... And: Yesterday was my last day there as I’m now moving on to something new — planning to develop my currently non-existent technical skills full time. So categorizing the author as being new "to the industry" at that point in time (2015/07/30) is nonsensical unless peripheral exposure counts. Not…

Sorry, I have little idea what your point is. She's was/is a recent graduate, she's new to any industry. If you "stick around" long without increase in salary, equity or experience (preferable all fo them) you're doing it wrong. How it can be interpreted only matter for people who hasn't manged to get the right experience to be in demand. In my opinion of course.

Re: Not a Hacker or a Hipster – How I Got My First Startup Job

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need to work on my chutzpah. I overspecialized in moxie and spunk (the personality trait, that is). Chutzpah's critical though- you're usually not going to get what you want if you never ask for it. You can wait a really long time for people to just give you what you want, especially if you never express an interest by asking for it. It sounds like common sense, but it feels like it took about 20 years too long for…

Moxie and Spunk sounds like a great hipster brandname.

"Moxie and Spunk" sounds like a great garage band name.

Re: Not a Hacker or a Hipster – How I Got My First Startup Job

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What cracks me up is this proclamation made by said author[0]: Over the 200 waking hours, I managed to hit the standard needed. It felt like multiple lucky answers and lots of Googling that got me there, but that’s how learning works. I learnt enough Javascript to get accepted onto the course and I spent another 3 months, with 15 others, Googling things together and creating a new app each week. Now I’m being paid to…

It would be okay if prototypes would be prototypes, but in the software field prototypes are too often taken into production. It's like a designer giving you a small model how they envision it. You don't expect to shrink yourself and live in the model house out of paper. It should be the same with software. Just recall the struggle with Twitter's MVP that failed to be available. Maybe we should differentiate between builders, designers and visionaries in the software field.
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