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Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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post #6

The pro-deletion side come across as dicks, but I think they're right. Does every piece of software ever written need a Wikipedia page? If you don't like where they're drawing the line, where would you draw it?

What's wrong with every software ever written having a Wikipedia page if someone cares enough to make one?

Otherwise, someone would have to make their own fan site for stuff like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buffy_the_Vampire_Slaye...

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#92

Yes, deletionism is getting ridiculous on WP. And it's only going to get worse, due to evaporative cooling of group beliefs . http://lesswrong.com/lw/lr/evaporative_cooling_of_group_beli... But what to do about it? Various people have mentioned the idea of a WP fork. This has been tried before, a number of times. These tend not to go anywhere. The problem seems to be getting a critical mass of people to work on it. A…

> Someone should write up ideas on how WP can be changed (e.g., vote NO on all deletion polls, not as a statement that any particular article should not be deleted, but rather simply to set a higher standard for deletion).

Speaking as a former admin and an eventuo-inclusionist: if I went to close an AfD and saw that particular tactic being used, the keep side would've just lost at least 2 votes' worth of influence.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#93
post #44

Don't have the patience to read the whole deletion policy page. Why would they want to delete such a thing? Is it inconceivable that some day somebody might stumble across the word "dwm" and look it up on Wikipedia?

As it happens, I watch [[dwm]] and [[dmenu]], and when they went up earlier today, I did my usual searches. Turns out there are quite a few dwms, and all the ones in places like Google Books are not this dwm.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#95
post #44

Don't have the patience to read the whole deletion policy page. Why would they want to delete such a thing? Is it inconceivable that some day somebody might stumble across the word "dwm" and look it up on Wikipedia?

People don't want Wikipedia to be dump for all possible information.

Yes they do.

Personally I want EVERYTHING in it, even if it's not notable, I don't care. The guideline should be: would 1 other (un-involved, un-related, etc) person on the planet be interested it? Then put it in.

I want to see a page on tips and techniques on laying brick, and page on the history of the coffee house down the corner from where you live. Everything.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't get it, what's wrong with every single open source software being a valid topic for a Wikipedia article. Every piece of open source software is of more interest than any pop singer.

What about the one I wrote in my basement?

Has anyone else besides you used it? Is anyone else on the planet interested? They yes, put it in.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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post #85
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people are complaining about their articles getting cut, doesn't that mean that they care about those articles and would maintain them? Wikipedia is actively spurning volunteers and reducing that "finite number" with deletionism.

Not necessarily. I think people are more likely to complain than do the grunt-work of active maintenance. It's certainly easier to do so. And creating an article doesn't indicate commitment. I think there are problems - from what I've seen, people outside of an area can be too quick to judge notability. But I find the attitude that nothing should be deleted naive.

After a WP article about writer Alan Cabal was deleted, following many AfDs, I re-wrote it from scratch as a Squidoo lens, probably for the better: http://www.squidoo.com/Alan_Cabal

The WP article does still lie in userspace waiting to be resurrected, but it's a complete waste of time to try and get it back into mainspace: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox_Th...

There are other options out there. Citizendium? If the article about dwm is deleted, re-write it at Citizendium. Why not?

Wikipedia is so 2001-2009. Its time is over, I think.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#99

The pro-deletion side come across as dicks, but I think they're right. Does every piece of software ever written need a Wikipedia page? If you don't like where they're drawing the line, where would you draw it?

Yeah, I don't get it, what's wrong with every single open source software being a valid topic for a Wikipedia article. Every piece of open source software is of more interest than any pop singer.

The whole point of Wikipedia is to be an open source encyclopedia i.e. they're trying to open source expert's knowledge. There's no point in open sourcing open source knowledge, as you can't get reliable sources (i.e. acknowledged experts) to talk about that kind of thing much, and it's already open source anyway.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#100
post #2

I'd say Ion is the father of modern tiling WMs.

larswm predates ion by a few years, and that was inspired by Rob Pike's acme programming environment for Plan 9 ( http://acme.cat-v.org ), which was preceded by Help, which in turn was influenced by Oberon.
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