I actually just posted this http://weworkcontract.com/ for London contract jobs aggregated from job boards (and recruiters).
Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
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Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#22Disclaimer: I am a software engineer at Underdog.io.
There are a lot of platforms nowadays that help to remove the "middleman" of external recruiters. Underdog.io, Hired, Vettery, InterviewJet, and others. These platforms typically are working to connect companies and candidates together directly by removing the "find and apply to each company individually" type approach. Instead they accept candidate applications, put them through their own internal approval process, and then, if selected, present them to companies to then make the decision if they want to talk to the candidates directly. In my opinion is approach is a much nicer and less stressful process for candidates.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#23Call up your friends and tell them you are looking for a new gig. Your peers will likely make better matches and more meaningful intros to companies you'd actually want to work for than recruiters.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#24Disclaimer: I've used recruiters to find every job I've had other than the first one. > I'd rather talk to a company directly. Why? What benefit do you get from that? You're not like to negotiate a higher salary than you would without the recruiter, and you're not in a better position to get hired either (over the total spend of an employee's lifespan the recruiter commission is a drop in the bucket). Some companies…
> You're not like to negotiate a higher salary than you would without the recruiter This is a bit facile because it depends on if you know how to ask, the financial standing of the company, if you can actually find a recruiter that'll go to bat for you, and a dozen other things that can affect the final outcome. I think the average outcome to expect however from the recruiter side of things is that they would rather…
Perhaps, but the recruiter's cut is based on your salary, and they also usually know how much the client is willing to pay - and quite possibly what they're previously paid for people of your calibre.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#25Disclaimer: I am a software engineer at Underdog.io. There are a lot of platforms nowadays that help to remove the "middleman" of external recruiters. Underdog.io, Hired, Vettery, InterviewJet, and others. These platforms typically are working to connect companies and candidates together directly by removing the "find and apply to each company individually" type approach. Instead they accept candidate applications, p…
> Instead they accept candidate applications, put them
> through their own internal approval process, and
> then, if selected, present them to companies to then
> make the decision if they want to talk to the
> candidates directly
EDIT: Looking at their website, it's a recruitment agency with some small amount of candidate selection automation built in.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#26It is a numbers game.
You will be falsely rejected from some companies.
You will be falsely accepted from some companies.
I got my current job by applying on their jobs page.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#27One of the actual uses for LinkedIn. Generally you probably want to work for people you like and respect. If you know some people like that, then finding out how to reach them on LinkedIn is a good way to let them know you are interested in working with them. Sometimes they won't be interested in working with you, its a fact of life and you have to let that go. Sometimes they are open to the idea but they don't have…
I've left my LinkedIn profile open for this very reason.
It's also given me another axis on the graph. I'll routinely get email from a recruiter about a position, which I'll ignore because I'm either happy where I am, the job isn't a total fit, or you see the typical signals that their comp is out of whack.
Then, a week or two later, I'll get another email about the same job from a different recruiter. Now I know the target company is having some trouble. Are they flailing about? Are they using multiple recruiters for some reason? Pay too low? Hiring criteria impossibly high? Is the place a black hole for developers?
Now I have more information to work with.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#28A counterpoint to that is that if a company is hiring a recruiter they are serious about hiring somebody. There are some places where they bring in a huge number of candidates, interview them, and then never hire anyone. For instance, at a local Uni, they had a position open for 2.5 yrs. If there is a recruiter involved there is a sense of urgency at least.
> is that if a company is hiring a recruiter they are
> serious about hiring somebody
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#29Hi, I'm a recruiter. Look for job aggregators like Adzuna, Indeed, etc, which scrape all jobs on the web. When you see results, it should be easy to work out which jobs are posted by recruiters, and which have been posted directly by the company. In my (massively biased) experience, you are better off applying for a position when you've been put forward by a recruiter: * The recruiter knows what the client's salary r…
> wants you to get paid as much as possible (as the role is commission based)
I think recruiters can be great, but don't put too much stock into this point. Recruiters are similar to realtors- yes, they get more if you get more, but they would rather close the deal then to risk no deal at all over a few more thousand dollars.
Re: Ask HN: Do I have to go through recruiters nowadays, how do you find new jobs?
#30Hi, I'm a recruiter. Look for job aggregators like Adzuna, Indeed, etc, which scrape all jobs on the web. When you see results, it should be easy to work out which jobs are posted by recruiters, and which have been posted directly by the company. In my (massively biased) experience, you are better off applying for a position when you've been put forward by a recruiter: * The recruiter knows what the client's salary r…
> wants you to get paid as much as possible (as the role is commission based) I think recruiters can be great, but don't put too much stock into this point. Recruiters are similar to realtors- yes, they get more if you get more, but they would rather close the deal then to risk no deal at all over a few more thousand dollars.
See also real estate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jO_w6f8Ck