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“Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by drivingmenuts »

HappyTypist wrote: post #17
vinceguidry wrote: post #16

The article is as stupid as the website it's on is. Value-added sharing mechanisms that take the expertise out of creating useful Internet content does not de-democratize the Internet. You are still as free as before to make your own websites and share your content the way it was done before Facebook. Facebook is popular but that can't be held against it. More generally, populism by itself does not threaten democracy…

Facebook is prioritising native content over external hyperlinks. That's a subtle but significant lock in.

So? They aren't preventing you from going outside the service to find your own information. FB's policies dictate how you interact with FB, but you don't have to interact with FB at all, if you choose not to.

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by raddad »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #12

Facebook hasn't destroyed the web - it's still there and functioning fine. Hyperlinks still work. What FB has done is made it easier for the lazy to connect with and stay within their own interest groups. FB has made it easy for people to ignore negative information with tons of cat pictures (I am as guilty as anyone for that) and cheerful little meaningless quotes. It's made it easier to post misinformation and spre…

>easier for the lazy to connect with and stay within their own interest groups

Facebook reminds me of AOL. People who had AOL had no idea of anything outside of AOL. I had to show many how to get out of AOL and they were astonished there was so much more.

If Facebook was an ISP it truly would be the new AOL.

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by bawana »

And I remember the net before the web. FTP, Gopher, and lynx. So why did a 'web browser' succeed? Because you could integrate bandwidth hogging graphics?? or was it to mimic the gui interfaces of mac OS, windows, BEos, etc? I still mourn the loss of the newsgroups and usenet. Well, Usenet is still around, but in name only. So what's next-VR interfaces?

The web and FB has made us dumber- we point and click and no longer have to search and think.

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by Razengan »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #12

Facebook hasn't destroyed the web - it's still there and functioning fine. Hyperlinks still work. What FB has done is made it easier for the lazy to connect with and stay within their own interest groups. FB has made it easy for people to ignore negative information with tons of cat pictures (I am as guilty as anyone for that) and cheerful little meaningless quotes. It's made it easier to post misinformation and spre…

> The internet (or more specifically, information) was going to get harder to find and navigate anyway, once you turn it loose on a few billion people.

That sheds light on a much scarier issue: Google.com has effectively BECOME the internet.

How do you find information that isn't indexed by Google? There has to be a better way than just word of mouth, but all other alternatives afforded by current tech will just shift the problem to some other megaportal.

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by paulddraper »

5ilv3r wrote: post #28
drivingmenuts wrote: post #12

Facebook hasn't destroyed the web - it's still there and functioning fine. Hyperlinks still work. What FB has done is made it easier for the lazy to connect with and stay within their own interest groups. FB has made it easy for people to ignore negative information with tons of cat pictures (I am as guilty as anyone for that) and cheerful little meaningless quotes. It's made it easier to post misinformation and spre…

"Hyperlinks still work." I observe that this is increasingly no longer true. Links no longer show you when you have visited them. Chains of 301s are common. Tracking links are now the norm. The link text almost never is where you are actually going. Pages automatically redirect you based on a ton of probed information (mobile, desktop, tablet, logged in to G+, logged into facebook, etc), and even normal browser short…

I must use 100+ links a day with 99% success rate.

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by vr3690 »

FussyZeus wrote: post #14
vr3690 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't they have like 1.65B MAUs? How is that a fad?

If you don't have the younger markets, you don't have a future. Once their parents are on a service, the younger market isn't if they don't need to be. Facebook is delaying it by playing big in International markets and in developing countries but the social aspects can't be outrun and won't change, as I said, it's a BIG fad but it's a fad and it will die a fad's death in due time. Why do think Zuck is pushing the Fa…

I hate FB and stopped using it a few months ago. But the people behind the company are pretty clever. They might have seen the writing on the wall and are trying to move pretty quickly to act against it. You've already alluded to one, but FB has also bought Oculus, Instagram and WhatsApp. All for ridiculous amounts of money, but with a crazy amount of potential. As a company FB isn't going anywhere, any time soon and by extension nor are its ideologies and practices.

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by Nadya »

Razengan wrote: post #34
drivingmenuts wrote: post #12

Facebook hasn't destroyed the web - it's still there and functioning fine. Hyperlinks still work. What FB has done is made it easier for the lazy to connect with and stay within their own interest groups. FB has made it easy for people to ignore negative information with tons of cat pictures (I am as guilty as anyone for that) and cheerful little meaningless quotes. It's made it easier to post misinformation and spre…

> The internet (or more specifically, information) was going to get harder to find and navigate anyway, once you turn it loose on a few billion people. That sheds light on a much scarier issue: Google.com has effectively BECOME the internet. How do you find information that isn't indexed by Google? There has to be a better way than just word of mouth, but all other alternatives afforded by current tech will just shif…

>There has to be a better way than just word of mouth, but all other alternatives afforded by current tech will just shift the problem to some other "megaportal."

I don't see why there has to be. Word of mouth is probably the best method possible.

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by 5ilv3r »

bawana wrote: post #33

And I remember the net before the web. FTP, Gopher, and lynx. So why did a 'web browser' succeed? Because you could integrate bandwidth hogging graphics?? or was it to mimic the gui interfaces of mac OS, windows, BEos, etc? I still mourn the loss of the newsgroups and usenet. Well, Usenet is still around, but in name only. So what's next-VR interfaces? The web and FB has made us dumber- we point and click and no long…

I am very interested in seeing in the post-web internet.

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by 5ilv3r »

paulddraper wrote: post #35
5ilv3r wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hyperlinks still work." I observe that this is increasingly no longer true. Links no longer show you when you have visited them. Chains of 301s are common. Tracking links are now the norm. The link text almost never is where you are actually going. Pages automatically redirect you based on a ton of probed information (mobile, desktop, tablet, logged in to G+, logged into facebook, etc), and even normal browser short…

I must use 100+ links a day with 99% success rate.

Nice job!

Re: “Facebook has destroyed the open web”

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Post by halpme »

To echo what everyone else has said, my feed is utter garbage and a lot of friends post stuff that makes me cringe. I've unsubscribed from the majority of my friends so now all I see are ads and sponsored posts.

Here's the thing, I get to see what events my friends are going to, which usually end up being really fun and not something I would have found out about otherwise. So nowadays I only use facebook to find and management events to attend.

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