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iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

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Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

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Post by mark_chosenberg »

ThomPete wrote: post #96
mark_chosenberg wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you rather be in control of your life, or would rather it be at the mercy of the whims of a faceless corporation? Sure each to their own.

Be in control of my life? What do you mean? You are not in control of your life if you rent a car? An apartment? A set of Ski?

I mean that you are less in control of your music collection if it's in the hands of a company rather than if you own it yourself.

The fact a majority are happy with the current state of affairs doesn't change this. Your comment about "belonging to a diminishing group" is irrelevant?

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

#102

Post by ThomPete »

mark_chosenberg wrote: post #101
ThomPete wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be in control of my life? What do you mean? You are not in control of your life if you rent a car? An apartment? A set of Ski?

I mean that you are less in control of your music collection if it's in the hands of a company rather than if you own it yourself. The fact a majority are happy with the current state of affairs doesn't change this. Your comment about "belonging to a diminishing group" is irrelevant?

And you have a much smaller music collection because you have to buy it all yourself to own it. So I am not sure what freedom it it you think you have that I don't? I can just buy it if i really want it but mostly it's available.

So it simply make no sense to talk about freedom in this context.

You are confusing two very different things.

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

#103

Post by __jal »

ThomPete wrote: post #77
__jal wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it isn't all the world's music. I have literally thousands of recordings that you can't stream, because they aren't available. Now, it is quite likely that you have no interest in at least the vast bulk of those, because they're obscure bands from my youth, live recordings of acts you don't care about, experimental music from the 80s, etc. But rental access to the RIAA machine is a far, far cry from "all the w…

Thats not what I am saying. I am saying that if you could I think it beats owning it.

I agree that a world in which absolutely everything ever recorded is available, and there is no risk of access ever going away, is superior to one in which I store my own bits, pay for my own disks, etc.

Let me know when we get there.

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

#104

Post by ascagnel_ »

kristofferR wrote: post #93
Esau wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I wish Foobar2000 was available for the Mac. It is my favorite GUI player (I personally love mpc/mpd).

DeaDBeeF is basically Foobar2000 for OS X/Linux. It's still very alpha though, especially on OS X. http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/

Most Linux apps on OS X kinda... suck. There's a cross-platform toolkit (usually GTK+) that outputs some vaguely native-looking widgets, but the program itself usually doesn't adapt to it's host OS conventions very well (for example, using control instead of the system standard command key for keyboard shortcuts).

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

#105

Post by kristofferR »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #104
kristofferR wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeaDBeeF is basically Foobar2000 for OS X/Linux. It's still very alpha though, especially on OS X. http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/

Most Linux apps on OS X kinda... suck. There's a cross-platform toolkit (usually GTK+) that outputs some vaguely native-looking widgets, but the program itself usually doesn't adapt to it's host OS conventions very well (for example, using control instead of the system standard command key for keyboard shortcuts).

DeaDBeeF on OS X is in Cocoa actually - and that's why it so unfinished - the Cocoa interface simply hasn't has been developed as much as the GTK one yet.

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

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Post by ascagnel_ »

kristofferR wrote: post #105
ascagnel_ wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Linux apps on OS X kinda... suck. There's a cross-platform toolkit (usually GTK+) that outputs some vaguely native-looking widgets, but the program itself usually doesn't adapt to it's host OS conventions very well (for example, using control instead of the system standard command key for keyboard shortcuts).

DeaDBeeF on OS X is in Cocoa actually - and that's why it so unfinished - the Cocoa interface simply hasn't has been developed as much as the GTK one yet.

That's good to hear. Too many Linux -> OS X ports don't have the care or thought given to them to make them good. For example, Inkscape not only commits all the violations I described above, it has an excruciatingly long startup time and requires opening a separate XQuartz instance (an X11 equivalent) to run.

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

#107

Post by kristofferR »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #106
kristofferR wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeaDBeeF on OS X is in Cocoa actually - and that's why it so unfinished - the Cocoa interface simply hasn't has been developed as much as the GTK one yet.

That's good to hear. Too many Linux -> OS X ports don't have the care or thought given to them to make them good. For example, Inkscape not only commits all the violations I described above, it has an excruciatingly long startup time and requires opening a separate XQuartz instance (an X11 equivalent) to run.

I mostly agree, and I really dislike the XQuartz/X11 OS X apps.

That being said, it is also annoying that a lot of plugins (which is what Foobar 2000/DeaDBeeF is based around), like the visualizer ones, only works in either GTK or Cocoa, not both. I don't think the fragmentation of plugins is a good thing. Hopefully they have a plan to deal with that.

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

#108

Post by mark_chosenberg »

ThomPete wrote: post #102
mark_chosenberg wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean that you are less in control of your music collection if it's in the hands of a company rather than if you own it yourself. The fact a majority are happy with the current state of affairs doesn't change this. Your comment about "belonging to a diminishing group" is irrelevant?

And you have a much smaller music collection because you have to buy it all yourself to own it. So I am not sure what freedom it it you think you have that I don't? I can just buy it if i really want it but mostly it's available. So it simply make no sense to talk about freedom in this context. You are confusing two very different things.

Not sure when this turned into a dick swinging context but, let me explain: you don't "have" a music collection, by definition mine is bigger.

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

#109

Post by psychometry »

hackaflocka wrote: post #91
psychometry wrote: post #18

This is why I still use iTunes 10. After that point, the program no longer had the organizational features I'd been depending on ever since iTunes 4 or maybe even earlier. It's unfortunate that there isn't a similarly feature-rich music organization app for OS X available (and I've tried them all).

I updated at some point and regret it. Do you know if it is possible to downdate my iTunes and go back to 10?

I used this: https://awesometoast.com/downgrading-to-itunes-10-7-from-itu...

Re: iTunes Has Slowly Destroyed My Will to Collect Music

#110

Post by ThomPete »

mark_chosenberg wrote: post #108
ThomPete wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you have a much smaller music collection because you have to buy it all yourself to own it. So I am not sure what freedom it it you think you have that I don't? I can just buy it if i really want it but mostly it's available. So it simply make no sense to talk about freedom in this context. You are confusing two very different things.

Not sure when this turned into a dick swinging context but, let me explain: you don't "have" a music collection, by definition mine is bigger.

No by definition you own more than i do. But I have access to more than you do.

The difference is subtle but important.

I can listen to exactly the same music as you can and much much more.

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