My first language too! haha
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30 years later, QBasic is still the best
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Re: 30 years later, QBasic is still the best
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If you do Lisp, why are you fighting for Haskell? (For the aggressive unhelpfulness of Haskell, I mentioned that Pac-Man project -- and see my other posts in this thread.)
I don't fight for Haskell, I was hoping for an enlightening answer; since all I got was a referral (not a link) to another comment that again refers to some other thread (again without link) that apparently only provides anecdotal evidence based on one guy's story who had a hard time with his project I call it a day you a troll.
Call me whatever you like, just don't make me use Haskell. The language makes my hair stand on end; it feels math-y and determinist, like the triumph of H.G. Wells and B.F. Skinner. I want nothing to do with it, and I fear the consequences if it spreads.
Re: 30 years later, QBasic is still the best
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Games would benefit from having the ability to plug in FP to resolve particular rules, but the aggregate game-world is stateful. (Remember that article here on HN where someone took several months to sort of write Pac-Man in Haskell, then admitted at the end that it would've taken him a week in C; and look at some of the other hoops that Haskell tutorials jump through when writing games.) OOP is just an enormous win…
(Talking about FP, but mainly aout Haskell and other languages with some weak OOP tools) The statefulness is managable in FP generally, you could see things like the State monad in Haskell. After all, the current state is just recursive applications of the rules. Experienced users of the FP languages will feel at home The high nesting that would end up in your data will probably mean you want to reach for deep data a…
How is the current state just recursive application of the rules, if the rules integrate randomness? It would mean saving every call to rand(), as well as every piece of user input...
Re: 30 years later, QBasic is still the best
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't fight for Haskell, I was hoping for an enlightening answer; since all I got was a referral (not a link) to another comment that again refers to some other thread (again without link) that apparently only provides anecdotal evidence based on one guy's story who had a hard time with his project I call it a day you a troll.
Call me whatever you like, just don't make me use Haskell. The language makes my hair stand on end; it feels math-y and determinist, like the triumph of H.G. Wells and B.F. Skinner. I want nothing to do with it, and I fear the consequences if it spreads.
> I fear the consequences if it spreads.
What would those consequences be?
Re: 30 years later, QBasic is still the best
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call me whatever you like, just don't make me use Haskell. The language makes my hair stand on end; it feels math-y and determinist, like the triumph of H.G. Wells and B.F. Skinner. I want nothing to do with it, and I fear the consequences if it spreads.
> I fear the consequences if it spreads. What would those consequences be?
Determinism, libertarianism, Science!, that sort of thing. I suspect that Haskell creates a predisposition towards thinking that way...
Re: 30 years later, QBasic is still the best
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But I can't microwave something late at night without waking the whole house up!
Your keys are actually louder than the microwave itself? :o. (At least every microwave I ever operated was pretty loud when cooking.)
The magnetron fan is white noise, but the beeps are shrill and piercing.
Re: 30 years later, QBasic is still the best
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See also: http://smallbasic.com/
Tks. Looks like a nice BASIC but appears closed-source from Microsoft. They trash a lot if their side projects over time. So, I'd recommend it only for temporary stuff in learning. Maybe OSS imitate any good qualities it has, too.
There's also smallBASIC [1], which is unrelated apart from having similar goals, and is both GPL and portable.
Re: 30 years later, QBasic is still the best
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tks. Looks like a nice BASIC but appears closed-source from Microsoft. They trash a lot if their side projects over time. So, I'd recommend it only for temporary stuff in learning. Maybe OSS imitate any good qualities it has, too.
There's also smallBASIC [1], which is unrelated apart from having similar goals, and is both GPL and portable. [1]: http://smallbasic.sourceforge.net/
Thanks for the tip. That it includes string and math functions might make it even more appropriate for students.