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Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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We will probably become fatter and at the same time remain very unhappy about it. People don't get sexually attracted by fat people.

I know this may come as a shock, but any one person's specific sexual preferences aren't always universal.

And yet he's right - sexual attractiveness of fat/obese people is more of a fetish, then an evolutionary preference.

Another thing is also "that's all I can get".

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Sugar removes acidity. I would add some sugar to home made tomato sauce sometimes. Sugar is bad, but it's got some qualities as well. The same could be said about many things we still eat/drink/breath, but the problem with sugar is that we just use too much of it.

sugar does not reduce acidity, it masks it. Bicarbonate of Soda reduces it, and brings the sugar already present to the fore. a micro pinch in the tomato sauce makes it bite less and reduces digestive acidity reflux from eating a tomato based meal(spag.sauce) jrjr

The more you know!

I totally used the wrong word (as I really wanted to say that masks it - I've got zero chemistry knowledge), but I'll try your tip next time.

Thank you!

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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The other day I went to buy some canned refried beans. When I read the label, I noticed that it contained refined sugar. WTF?!? There should be no need for sugar in refried beans! After recovering from the shock, I went to another grocery store, where I found refried beans without sugar. Why does this happen? Obviously, sugar tastes good. That has to be why companies add it to all sorts of things. However, if most pe…

"Why does this happen? Obviously, sugar tastes good. That has to be why companies add it to all sorts of things."

There are more reasons. Googling "uses of sugar":

"Although the main reason for the use of sugar is its sweet taste, sugar has many other functions in food technology. The most important among these are that added sugar in foods acts as a sweetener, preservative, texture modifier, fermentation substrate, flavouring and colouring agent, bulking agent."

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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The other day I went to buy some canned refried beans. When I read the label, I noticed that it contained refined sugar. WTF?!? There should be no need for sugar in refried beans! After recovering from the shock, I went to another grocery store, where I found refried beans without sugar. Why does this happen? Obviously, sugar tastes good. That has to be why companies add it to all sorts of things. However, if most pe…

Ditto for pasta sauce. Difficult to find ones that don't have sugar. Only one at my grocery store despite a shelf full of various brands.

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post #147

The other day I went to buy some canned refried beans. When I read the label, I noticed that it contained refined sugar. WTF?!? There should be no need for sugar in refried beans! After recovering from the shock, I went to another grocery store, where I found refried beans without sugar. Why does this happen? Obviously, sugar tastes good. That has to be why companies add it to all sorts of things. However, if most pe…

> However, if most people were like me, ... My teacher always said: Imagine the most average american citizen. Then realize that half of the american population is dumber that. Really brings things in perspective.

Really brings things in perspective.

It does, doesnt it? I mean, you'd think a math teacher of all people would know not to use "average" when they really mean "median". I always wondered whether Carlin was being ironic when he told the joke.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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The article was an interesting read until I hit the picture showing Deplin. I want to share my story about this drug. After having a DNA test done and finding out I had an MTHFR gene mutation, my psychiatrist prescribed me that orange pill. She had lots of samples, too, which I was grateful for as it was extraordinarily expensive. i.e. not covered by insurance since it's technically a "medical food". I paid for it anyways, because she sold it to me as "a magical cure" of sorts and I won't lie, that seemed appealing to me. Something new? After all this struggle? Sure, fuck it, let's try it. I will leave out my backstory and detail about my condition for the sake of brevity (something I'm not very good at).

5-MTHF did work for me, albeit at a MUCH lower dose of 5mg. Some people even get relief from 1mg. But... Deplin comes in 7mg and 15mg doses. My new doctors in Seattle (Naturopaths, not psychiatrists) have advised me that even 7mg is quite a bit of extra 5-MTHF. I don't know the scientific details behind this, but I know from experience, 15mg was entirely way too much for my body and I experienced excruciating periods of "overmethlyation" (extremely high anxiety, all sorts of sensory hallucinations, very uncomfortable!).

The doctor that did the DNA test advised 15mg. Not my psychiatrist. It was just a note scribbled on the front of the DNA results packet. I didn't know anything about 5-MTHF at the time so I did not argue and began on the 15mg. Psych didn't say anything, either: i was only her 3rd patient trying Deplin.

I was completely unstable until I titrated the dose 8 months later: I'd been mistaking most of the symptoms for benzodiazapine withdrawal and didn't think to blame the Deplin for being uncomfortable. I was too unstable to properly judge my mental state. at the time, I had subconsciously thought: why would I question the Deplin? My psychiatrist told me that it was made for people like me (who have the genetic defect). No way it could be hurting me.

I wonder how many other mental health patients are being tortured by a similar conundrum right now? (Tortured may seem a bit harsh, but overmethlyation is something I would not wish on my enemies...) Further, I wonder how many people are being suggested Deplin as they were Prozac, in a case where a doctor doesn't know anything about MTHFR gene and thinks it's just a fancy new drug to try out?

I wish there was more information about the supplement's effects and its dosages available for psychiatrists. About a year later, I began ordering 5-MTHF (the main component of the 'drug') from Amazon for 1/3 of the price. You can also get it made at compounding pharmacies for cheaper.

I feel terrible thinking about other people who may think they are locked into paying for Deplin because their psychiatrist does not know any better. I think what Nestle is doing may be good for profits, by making an illusion of a 'unique solution', but at the same time it makes my stomach turn. Thanks for reading.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Nestle is a very big company making all kinds of products, and since ever more people are following the health and fitness craze, there are so many people obsessed with health, they want to profit from it. They want to adjust their company in order to guarantee future profits, that's actually (a) the most normal thing in the world and (b) a form of following consumer's choice and wishes. I don't see how selling sugar…

First of all, diabetes pills are not really 'health products.' They are more like 'you fucked up your health, now try not to die' products. Even Nestle's low-fat and low-sugar "foods" are a far cry from "health products." You are being disingenuous by conflating the two, or even for suggesting that Nestle is in the business of selling "health products." Beyond that, however, I see a pretty big flaw in your reasoning…

How much of the cause of the diabetes endemic is Nestle though? Isn't lack of nutritional education more to blame?

It's easy to come down hard on the smoking industry due to the chemically addictive nature and serious health hazards of the product, but there are many consumers who moderate their fat and sugar intake. And then there are diabetics who don't consume any Nestle products - so why can't they be given treatment manufactured from a conglomerate?

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Nestle is a very big company making all kinds of products, and since ever more people are following the health and fitness craze, there are so many people obsessed with health, they want to profit from it. They want to adjust their company in order to guarantee future profits, that's actually (a) the most normal thing in the world and (b) a form of following consumer's choice and wishes. I don't see how selling sugar…

First of all, diabetes pills are not really 'health products.' They are more like 'you fucked up your health, now try not to die' products. Even Nestle's low-fat and low-sugar "foods" are a far cry from "health products." You are being disingenuous by conflating the two, or even for suggesting that Nestle is in the business of selling "health products." Beyond that, however, I see a pretty big flaw in your reasoning…

What is a "health" product or not is of no value to the discussion here I think, we can debate all day long about what way of eating is correct or not, then let me put it in broader terms: Targeting different groups with different products that actually might have nothing in common or even be antagonists in a way, is nothing immoral or unusual. I used the term "health product" as an antagonist to their sugary products.

I did not in any way say Nestle is not selling the cause and the solution, I was trying to make that point that this in itself is meaningless and in no sense immoral.

As kazinator brilliantly put it:

"Yamaha wants to sell you noise-canceling headphones, and a motorcycle."[1]

We can talk about a tax on sugars, we can talk about a different regulatory framework, but I see nothing wrong with what Nestle is doing here given the current legal and regulatory situation.

And people make their choices, if Nestle wouldn't sell product x, someone else would in some form, they are trying that you choose their product, that's all, that's called competition.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11659815

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Nestle is a very big company making all kinds of products, and since ever more people are following the health and fitness craze, there are so many people obsessed with health, they want to profit from it. They want to adjust their company in order to guarantee future profits, that's actually (a) the most normal thing in the world and (b) a form of following consumer's choice and wishes. I don't see how selling sugar…

First of all, diabetes pills are not really 'health products.' They are more like 'you fucked up your health, now try not to die' products. Even Nestle's low-fat and low-sugar "foods" are a far cry from "health products." You are being disingenuous by conflating the two, or even for suggesting that Nestle is in the business of selling "health products." Beyond that, however, I see a pretty big flaw in your reasoning…

> First of all, diabetes pills are not really 'health products.' They are more like 'you fucked up your health, now try not to die' products

You can make the same argument about low cost sugary foods that originated from the same conglomerates - trade lower prices & time to avoid starving... if you can't afford to eat healthy you eat what's fast, affordable and tastes good.

You can have your cake and eat it too, you just won't live very long...

I agree there isn't a 'sickle' marketing department where in the company creates the problem and caters at every stopping point until your ultimate demise - unless of course Nestle owns a collection of funeral homes...

Hanlons razor: never assume bad intentions when assuming stupidity is enough

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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The other day I went to buy some canned refried beans. When I read the label, I noticed that it contained refined sugar. WTF?!? There should be no need for sugar in refried beans! After recovering from the shock, I went to another grocery store, where I found refried beans without sugar. Why does this happen? Obviously, sugar tastes good. That has to be why companies add it to all sorts of things. However, if most pe…

There can only be one explanation: most consumers are dumb.

You know how that makes you sound? Like a 9/11-was-an-inside-job, "we never went to the moon" conspiracy theorist. "There can be only explanation: the majority people aren't as enlightened as I; wake up sheeple!"

But let's go with that: people are dumb. Assuming that to be true, are you arguing for or against regulating what goes into a can of refried beans? As you've already proven, people are not capable of making sense of nutritional labels, therefore it is not fair to put the onus on those who are incapable, I see no other option than to regulate the industry with heavy oversight for the good of those who are not as enlightened as you.

Just thinking out loud here, but what options open up to us if we don't assume we're smarter than everyone else?

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