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Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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This is obviously very bad from the standpoint that the trending news section is ostensibly supposed to be organic, based on user behavior, and free of bias—except that which is inherent in the users themselves sharing things to be picked up as "trending". It appears that "trending news" has really been "curated news". Not cool at all.

More concerning than trending news actually being curated news is learning that negative stories about Facebook were allegedly actively suppressed. Doublenotcool at all.

However, that there is "conservative news" and "liberal news" is even more bothersome. Especially that it's offered as something anyone should find to be acceptable as an idea at all.

> But we would have to go and find the same story from a more neutral outlet that wasn’t as biased.

This is delivered as if it is inherently a bad thing, when it most assuredly is not. When I come across a story about anything, I actively prefer to find it covered by a neutral outlet that isn't as biased. This is, to me, a good thing, and what news should be. News should be information about events. If I want opinionated and editorialized news, I'd go after an opinionated and editorialized source. They abound. That anyone who calls themselves a journalist would call out the suppression of "conservative news" or "liberal news", instead of calling out the elevation and coupling of inherent bias in reporting as the problem itself, strikes me as more than worrisome.

To my thinking, there is a difference between news that is of interest to [insert ideological group identification] and news that is delivered through the bias of [insert ideological group identification]. I would love it if there was a way to identify and filter news from a neutral outlet with less (ideally no) bias. I recognize that is largely impossible, as we cannot rid ourselves of our biases very easily. However, we can recognize our biases and seek to counterbalance them. We can also make attempts to actively omit them from news coverage. An outlet can report on facts.

That said, it appears this story highlights both: a biased suppression of news that is of interest to conservatives and news that is delivered through the lens of conservatively biased opinion and sources. The former is entirely bad, as it actively omits information that a group would like to know. The second is far less onerous to me, as I personally would love it if there were algorithmic delivery of actual news from outlets that eschewed biased delivery and editorializing.

Edit: It is made clear in the article that part of the problem stems from Facebook's desire to compete with Twitter for real-time trending news. This is unsurprising, as should the outcome be to readers and users. Facebook created a tool to allow humans to modify news in the trending section that wasn't organically trending. Someone thought this would be a competitive net positive because it could allow Facebook curators to keep up with breaking news that was "all over Twitter". That Facebook hired curators, and that one or more of those curators then divulged information about this tool being used to subjectively inject or suppress stories seems entirely unsurprising. The tool obviously should not exist. Creating it was a very dumb move. Not militantly monitoring and correcting its misuse was even dumber.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#42

Interesting, just last week my friend and I were debating how much Google and Facebook can influence an election. We agreed it would be catastrophic if either decided to lean one way or the other... Facebook is essentially suppressing free speech. Although, it has somewhat a right to do what it wants, it is skewing what other people share with one another (which is a big deal)

How is it suppressing free speech? It's not keeping you from posting ridiculous pro-Trump tirades. It's not even hiding those tirades from your friends. All it's doing is choosing not to shine a spotlight on conservative stories which aren't corroborated by mainstream sources.

> conservative stories which aren't corroborated by mainstream sources.

Conservativism is mainstream. Part of the problem is that many people who are not conservative have been lead to believe that it is a marginal/extreme ideology. It is not. It may be a majority ideology, but it is at a bare minimum a the second most common.

For what it's worth I don't consider myself a conservative.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#43

Regardless of political opinion, I think it's disgraceful to only show biased views.

Since when is grace relevant at all? It's pretty apparent how effective Fox News is, graceful or not.

"Disgraceful" is not the inverse of "graceful" in modern English, the former meaning "shameful" while the latter means "elegant".

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Yes they are a private publicly traded company and they are within the law to manipulate news or whatever they want with their platform in most places at this time. However, if they were to become a clearinghouse for information I would think eyes of scrutiny would descend and look at how they attempt to manipulate news and opinion.

It's not clear who (in the hierarchy) is behind the decision to shape the news nor is it clear why they would mainly suppress conservative stories over liberal stories. Are liberal sources less prone to exaggeration? Or would they simply upset their audience less?

Interesting never the less. And certainly this could have serious repercussions on how news is consumed and perceived.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it suppressing free speech? It's not keeping you from posting ridiculous pro-Trump tirades. It's not even hiding those tirades from your friends. All it's doing is choosing not to shine a spotlight on conservative stories which aren't corroborated by mainstream sources.

> conservative stories which aren't corroborated by mainstream sources. Conservativism is mainstream. Part of the problem is that many people who are not conservative have been lead to believe that it is a marginal/extreme ideology. It is not. It may be a majority ideology, but it is at a bare minimum a the second most common. For what it's worth I don't consider myself a conservative.

Last I checked (can't find the stats on mobile), conservatives represented 65+% of the vote in the U.S. However, they are significantly less likely to vote, many living in a rural area.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#46

Keep in mind that this allegation is coming from a single conservative curator who no longer works there. And even he seems pretty indecisive about it being an institutional bias: "I’d come on shift and I’d discover that CPAC or Mitt Romney or Glenn Beck or popular conservative topics wouldn’t be trending because either the curator didn’t recognize the news topic or it was like they had a bias against Ted Cruz." If F…

> Keep in mind that this allegation is coming from a single conservative curator who no longer works there. This is false, the headline even alludes to it being more than a single source. The entire article uses plural terms and refers to 'several.' I think you read the lede, but skipped the rest.

From the article:

> Other former curators interviewed by Gizmodo denied consciously suppressing conservative news, and we were unable to determine if left-wing news topics or sources were similarly suppressed. The conservative curator described the omissions as a function of his colleagues’ judgements; there is no evidence that Facebook management mandated or was even aware of any political bias at work.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#47

This is obviously very bad from the standpoint that the trending news section is ostensibly supposed to be organic, based on user behavior, and free of bias—except that which is inherent in the users themselves sharing things to be picked up as "trending". It appears that "trending news" has really been "curated news". Not cool at all. More concerning than trending news actually being curated news is learning that ne…

Of course there is "conservative news" and "liberal news". Liberal news is things that happened, things that will happen, etc. Conservative news is a made up stories, things that never happened, etc.

Example of trending "conservative news": Obama bans the phrase "Merry Christmas". E.g. http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/barack-obama-bans-...

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#48
The problem is, as a private company, should Facebook choose to manipulate it's news feed algorithm to promote one candidate or the other, or for whatever reason, this would be its prerogative under the First Amendment. I personally choose to not use Facebook specifically for these reasons. Even though I know many Facebook employees personally, I don't trust it's employees to divorce their own interests and their powerful position as Facebook's curators.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#49

This is obviously very bad from the standpoint that the trending news section is ostensibly supposed to be organic, based on user behavior, and free of bias—except that which is inherent in the users themselves sharing things to be picked up as "trending". It appears that "trending news" has really been "curated news". Not cool at all. More concerning than trending news actually being curated news is learning that ne…

Of course there is "conservative news" and "liberal news". Liberal news is things that happened, things that will happen, etc. Conservative news is a made up stories, things that never happened, etc. Example of trending "conservative news": Obama bans the phrase "Merry Christmas". E.g. http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/barack-obama-bans-...

I think that's an overly broad and biased characterization. I find it hard to believe that an entire half of the voting spectrum is made up of liars and charlatans.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#50
The more I hear about what Facebook has become, the less I like it.

Previously we heard that they run experiments to alter users news feeds to see if they could alter their mood, now we learn they're engaging in what is basically propaganda by suppressing certain viewpoints. And all this for what? So that you can be advertised to while you waste your time on the internet. What a terrible company. Speaks ill of humanity that it is so popular.

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