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Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted

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Re: Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted

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So a company that blatantly cheated will pay some fines and still be worth billions. The founders and early employees will all be rich, or richer than they were when they started. The investors will get a very healthy return. The lesson: break the rules and grow so fast that by the time regulators catch up, you can put on a show of reforming and still keep most of the value that you created. Admirable disruption or h…

I suppose it depends on the context. Considering America's oppressive regulatory environment, and that occupational licensing is bad, I'm usually inclined to call it 'admirable disruption'.

Oppressive regulatory environment? Relative to where, countries which have limited resources and can't enforce regulations to protect consumers?

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So, the difference between a "hacker" and an "engineer" has always been this idea that the engineer is designing something which is principled at all levels, whereas the hacker is putting together something which works in the most obvious cases but doesn't necessarily cover all of their bases. In practice, I think we all know that a little of both is best; ideally you can throw something together with copy-paste programming to sign a new client, say, and then you can rethink it from the ground up once you've got that proof that someone needs it. Hacking is much cheaper than principled design.

What I'm taking away from this article is that this is also true at the CEO level. Conrad sounds like a hacker's philosophy, writ managerial. If there's a regulation that your browser spend 52 hours on a web page, here's a script to make your browser browse that web page for 52 hours, clicking aimlessly among the pages. You're welcome; you've got other crap to do. Or, if you don't have a license to sell this thing -- well, you still seem to be able to sell, so let's just do it the way that works for now, as a proof-of-concept, and we can always do-it-right later.

And that's not a bad thing! It works great for software! But it looks from the article that therefore the hiccup that the company faced was somewhat predictable given the personality of the CEO. It's hopefully an instructive lesson for any venture capitalists who don't already realize that you need that both-hacker-and-engineer versatility up-top. Because it's the exact sort of hiccup you get when your software team is hacker-only and always put under pressure to get more done, but never under pressure to do it right. Eventually the code spaghettifies to deal with all of the real-world problems, and the sooner you can catch it before it becomes a hairball, the better.

My job right now is, I maintain a big data processor. I can freely testify that there are still a ton of quick hacks that are stuck in various places. But every week or so, I get a little downtime -- and when I don't spend that peeking into Hacker News, I spend it trying to modularize the hackery and then swap in carefully-reasoned modules for quick-hack modules.

I implore other software engineers to do the same; and I will definitely start thinking of more management-level decisions this way, in terms of "quick clever hacks" versus "careful design."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it depends on the context. Considering America's oppressive regulatory environment, and that occupational licensing is bad, I'm usually inclined to call it 'admirable disruption'.

Oppressive regulatory environment? Relative to where, countries which have limited resources and can't enforce regulations to protect consumers?

Compared to the first ten countries here: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

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So a company that blatantly cheated will pay some fines and still be worth billions. The founders and early employees will all be rich, or richer than they were when they started. The investors will get a very healthy return. The lesson: break the rules and grow so fast that by the time regulators catch up, you can put on a show of reforming and still keep most of the value that you created. Admirable disruption or h…

According to my brother in law who lived there for 10 years this is how nearly all business is done in China. The variation is that you hope to get big enough to bribe or otherwise purchase influence.

Surely an example we all aspire to.

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Having just read The Website Obesity Crisis[0] I was instantly intrigued by the video loop at the top of this article, so fired up Chrome's network inspector. Not only is it 6.7Mb, but it's sent using streaming (Status: 206 Partial Content), and for me at least, every time the video reaches the end, it's loaded again, and not from cache. I didn't actually read the article, but according to Read-o-meter[1] it would ta…

The amount of consumption usually equals the amount of resources available to consume.

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So a company that blatantly cheated will pay some fines and still be worth billions. The founders and early employees will all be rich, or richer than they were when they started. The investors will get a very healthy return. The lesson: break the rules and grow so fast that by the time regulators catch up, you can put on a show of reforming and still keep most of the value that you created. Admirable disruption or h…

Trying to outgrow regulators is one approach. Trying to outgrow competition in a business with low barriers to entry is another. See Groupon for example. My bet is AirBnB is probably next.

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So a company that blatantly cheated will pay some fines and still be worth billions. The founders and early employees will all be rich, or richer than they were when they started. The investors will get a very healthy return. The lesson: break the rules and grow so fast that by the time regulators catch up, you can put on a show of reforming and still keep most of the value that you created. Admirable disruption or h…

I suppose it depends on the context. Considering America's oppressive regulatory environment, and that occupational licensing is bad, I'm usually inclined to call it 'admirable disruption'.

So, being 11th (of 178) in the ranking of the "Economic Freedom" you list below makes the American regulatory environment "oppressive" ?

From the viewpoint of most countries in Europe it would be considered "very liberal".

(EDIT: Also the source you mention is clearly politically biased. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation )

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Having just read The Website Obesity Crisis[0] I was instantly intrigued by the video loop at the top of this article, so fired up Chrome's network inspector. Not only is it 6.7Mb, but it's sent using streaming (Status: 206 Partial Content), and for me at least, every time the video reaches the end, it's loaded again, and not from cache. I didn't actually read the article, but according to Read-o-meter[1] it would ta…

Seems to be loading from cache for me (chrome 50). Did you leave "disable cache" active in network inspector?

That I did, oops

Re: Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted

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So a company that blatantly cheated will pay some fines and still be worth billions. The founders and early employees will all be rich, or richer than they were when they started. The investors will get a very healthy return. The lesson: break the rules and grow so fast that by the time regulators catch up, you can put on a show of reforming and still keep most of the value that you created. Admirable disruption or h…

Actually this how many successful people do it. It is better to break the rules and profit from it and if caught, pay a small fine and keep your ill gotten gains. I've learned this long time ago (watching coworkers, family, etc) but will probably never do it myself because I'm just not that kind of person.
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