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How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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Something to keep in mind is the population that typically has chronic Hep C requiring this drug. It's IV drug users who share needles. Think they have $84K? Nope. Think they have insurance? Nope. Guess who pays for it. Oh that's right, it's Medicaid! It's you, the taxpayers. Where is there a large concentration of people that have Hep C? Prisons. Guess who pays for it then? Still you! The prison systems are obligate…

You don't think it's fair to price a product relative to the wealth in a given country? I think it's quite fair to be honest.

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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I actually wouldn't expect that Indian prisons provide any effective medication against hepatitis C. You might get it if you buy it yourself, and bribe the prison staff to allow you to have it.

Sorry: this is not based on any real experience or references, just the overall assessment of how India stands currently.

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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Eminent domain is not just for land. In extreme cases like this where a profit motive is the only thing keeping us from curing huge numbers of people, the US government should write a single check, take the rights, and start handing out pills. As far as the company is concerned, that could even be a preferable outcome. Cash now and the marketing benefits to promote its other drugs. Edit: Just a reminder that eminent…

Let's walk through this. Drug develop is mostly funded with private money. Yes, the NIH funds basic research that often support drug research, but private companies fund most of the bill. It's in the hundreds of billions each year.

Now why would they do that? Well, they expect that they'll give a company $500M and it will turn into $2B or $3B. However, most of those companies will fail and the $500M will turn into $0.

So that would mean that the returns on the drugs that are successful need to be really high. What if they weren't? Well, all that private money would dry up pretty dam quickly.

Look at the money going into cancer research. It's a huge amount every year. It's not just because cancer is a terrible disease and affects everyone, it's because the returns on cancer therapy are high.

You could just tell private companies, "stuff it, you don't get to make money" and try and have the gov't do it on their own. Of course you'd need to increase the NIH budget by what? 10x?

Our current system isn't perfect, but it does a dam good job aligning the incentives of people with money and people who need new drugs.

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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>large group of their employees to jump off their building all at once? Didn't happen at Foxconn. They were all on separate days over a few years. Not sure where you got "mass suicide" from. It's not mentioned in the comment you refer to.

Wait, this was apparently misreported to me although it still says wonders about the situation. It was a threatened mass suicide that led to concessions. Over a dozen did jump to death. And the worst part of what I originally received.... curtailing the suicides by installing safety nets instead of better working conditions... did happen. So, yes, that's unusually bad with not many in the U.S. that can compare. I'll…

I doubt it'll happen in the US because we don't really have workers dormitories for people to jump from and in the US very few people jump for suicides (~2%) vs guns (~56%), suffocation/hanging (~25%) or poisoning (~11%).

source: http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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> America subsidizes the health care of the entire world. Howso?

Because profit is disproportionately earned in America. Europe, Canada, and the whole world enjoy lower prices because we pay higher prices.

I don't need to agree or to disagree, but I need to ask: why downvote the parent without offering any replies?

(Upvoted, just out of the feeling of irritation at this.)

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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I'm conflicted about this article. On the one hand, the pharmaceutical companies gouging ordinary Americans is abominable. Doing something to circumvent their greed is something to support. On the other hand, if enough people exploit loopholes like this, and the pharma company actually felt a significant drain in revenue, they may decide not to license the manufacture of these drugs in India at lower prices. If $84,0…

I have a private global (excluding USA) medical insurance that covers costs (no in-patient) up to 1M and it costs me $1k/year. I've been hearing about Obamacare for years and always thought "well, it's good that more people will have insurance". But when my colleagues in US told me what their deductibles on a good insurance plan are ( thousands of dollars. my deductibles are $375) I was floored. The whole medical sys…

Wait. Of course your insurance is cheap, it excludes in-patient care. You know, the most expensive part of medicine.

If it were legal in the US, no in-patient care insurance would be pretty cheap as well. I'll agree not as cheap as ex-US, but a hell of a cheaper than Obamacare plans.

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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post #141

Something to keep in mind is the population that typically has chronic Hep C requiring this drug. It's IV drug users who share needles. Think they have $84K? Nope. Think they have insurance? Nope. Guess who pays for it. Oh that's right, it's Medicaid! It's you, the taxpayers. Where is there a large concentration of people that have Hep C? Prisons. Guess who pays for it then? Still you! The prison systems are obligate…

You don't think it's fair to price a product relative to the wealth in a given country? I think it's quite fair to be honest.

It should be priced according to ability to pay based on income. The same is the reasoning why the drug is so cheap in other countries, their people can't possibly afford the prices. So it makes no sense for citizens of wealthy countries to have to pay huge markups if they don't have the money. It makes no sense from an economic perspective to force people to go into bankruptcy just because they got sick.

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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Not particularly. By the way pharmaceutical companies also free ride on public universities. Research is often done there. Even if it is from grants, it often means professors end up working and spending their time for pharma companies instead of doing other things like teaching students. Moreover, if our goal is to win hearts and minds and I don't know, promote Democracy (at least that is what the propaganda tells u…

But pharma companies aren't competing in a free market... I can't by (prescription X) from a canadian drug store. So it's not globalized, except for the protectionist patent laws and treaties surrounding them. It's time to reign in patent protections, specifically regarding extension patents, and bring in compulsory license maximums for prescription medicines. Give drug companies 5 years exclusivity once they react m…

Price controls work so well in general, why not try them in pharmaceuticals?

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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India can break patents on drugs it considers too expensive. The real danger is if this sort of thing makes drugs unprofitable pharma companies won't spend any money researching drugs to treat uncommon conditions, and the drug will never exist to start with. We'll get endless varieties of new opioids, blood pressure pills, pecker perkers, and not much else.

I always hear this argument, but never any evidence to back it up. Is it simply regurgitating econ 101? There must be some economic incentive? Any time people die from a disease, that alone creates an incentive for those left living to find a cure. What econ doesn't teach is that people are not perfectly rational creatures. Just like we will find people who will write code for free, who will make music for free, ther…

I don't think anyone is arguing only Big Pharma creates new cures. In fact, most big pharma companies acquire smaller companies for their drugs.

That said, I don't disagree that money is the only motivator. However, good intentions aren't enough to develop a new drug. It takes a hell of a lot of money as well.

If you don't create incentives for private investment, then you need to get that money somewhere else.

Re: How I Got the $84k Hepatitis C Drug for $1500 by Buying It from India

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You're doing the math wrong. The suggestion is not a billion dollar profit on 26 billion dollars of costs. Most of the 26 billion dollars is profit. Chopping the cost tremendously would still leave a healthy profit margin. As to risk, they bought an already-proven drug. That's not the sort of thing that earns massive returns.

The suggestion from OP WAS in fact that a billion dollar of profits was "reasonable." Read above copy pasted quote.

The billion dollar part was not the math mistake, the mistake was dividing it by 26 or 27.
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