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Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by YuriNiyazov »

cpher wrote: post #159
YuriNiyazov wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congratulations on your blatant racism. You go to southside, and you object that the person that is working in that neighborhood fits "the stereotype".

Give me your honest opinion: to what degree am I racist if : 1) the Uber pulling up is an obvious gangbanger 2) If I refuse the driver for whatever reasons Uber lists when drivers pull up. I'm going to assume your objection is to #1. If so, do you have any fucking idea how institutionalized racism is in Chicago, especially with CPD? Even sane white folks know this. There are mostly good apples, but some bad ones, and…

Here's my honest opinion on how I read your latest statement: "Racism is institutionalized in Chicago by CPD, so the correct thing to do is to follow the procedures established by the racist institution because otherwise I am going to be ensnared in the dragnet."

Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by YuriNiyazov »

shock-value wrote: post #160
YuriNiyazov wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

dang should be coming by to tell you that you are out of line any minute now.

Sorry, but this comment makes you sound like a whiney child yelling at a sibling -- "you might not listen to me but I'll get Mommy to tell you to stop!". The comment may or may not be racially insensitive but it's very frustrating how some commenters here will appeal to mods to censor anything they don't like or agree with.

I am objecting to the "Fuck you" part, not his (perceived by me) racial insensitivity, which I think we can continue discussing without appealing to mods.

Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by cpher »

YuriNiyazov wrote: post #148
cpher wrote: post #146

I would even go one step further. Certainly less than felons. For some reason in Chicago, I at least feel "safer" in a taxi because of the screaming decals and colors of the car. I had an Uber from the southside to Midway, and I felt like just getting into his car I was being set up in a sting operation. I (white guy) shrunk down in the back seat the entire time. The dude was nice, but holy shit what does CPD think w…

Congratulations on your blatant racism. You go to southside, and you object that the person that is working in that neighborhood fits "the stereotype".

Yuri, after seeing these comments, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not sorry for being angry, but I'm sorry for getting personal. I'm sure you're needing some help with something local to your community, unless you want to start a thread of how to help kids on the south side of Chicago get into this community.

Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by bdjdjdbeie »

I was in an Uber last night in San Francisco. The driver had just started driving for the ride sharing company. During my 20 minutes in the car, the driver was flirting with the other passenger in the pool, and she was visibly uncomfortable. After dropping her off, he told me how he spent 13 years in prison, how he just got out, and how he "knew the Menendez brothers while in the pen". All of this was completely unsolicited btw.

Now I'm a big fan of uber and lyft, and generally feel safe taking it but an experience like that will make you reconsider.

Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by tptacek »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #158
tptacek wrote: post #156

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I'm not going to dignify an argument that suggests that because some regulations might be erroneous, have unintended consequences, or even be crafted specifically to favor some particular group, that most regulations are therefore equivalent to institutionalized racism. To me, that's really just a veiled swipe at the idea that institutionalized racism is a uniquely toxic problem.

It's not a "veiled swipe" at all. I'm pretty explicitly stating that I consider racism to be extrinsically bad - I only care when it causes intrinsically bad actions like protectionism, and that protectionist acts which are non-racist are also bad. I get the impression you have a different moral conclusion, but I have no idea how you reach it in a logically consistent manner. I take it you refuse to state your princi…

I am not required to provide you with a first-principles reasoning for why racism is bad. I get the impression that you'd like that requirement to be the norm here, but it is not.

There's not much of a reason to let this subthread get any deeper, is there?

Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by mistersquid »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #149
tptacek wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the "no black people" limit is abusive, in large part intended to be abusive, and has no good-faith public policy purpose, and the other limits can't be described that way. You can describe them as erroneous or ineffective --- the way you could describe virtually any regulation --- but you can't make that argument about them. Since this distinction seems pretty obvious, I have to wonder why you'd pretend not…

Many regulations of this sort - particularly within the taxi space - are merely economic protectionism favoring one group over another. Suppose the "no black people" limit were merely designed for economic protectionism with no malicious intent. Would that make it acceptable? You can add to it various pretexts as erroneous and ineffective justification, e.g. "black people are more likely to be dangerous criminals tha…

> What makes non-whites deserving of protection from bad laws but non-medallion owners undeserving?

In the United States, this question is answered by Federal Laws which define Protected Classes [0].

Non-medallion owners are not a protected class (yet) according to US Federal Law.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

EDIT: provide link

Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by YuriNiyazov »

cpher wrote: post #164
YuriNiyazov wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congratulations on your blatant racism. You go to southside, and you object that the person that is working in that neighborhood fits "the stereotype".

Yuri, after seeing these comments, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not sorry for being angry, but I'm sorry for getting personal. I'm sure you're needing some help with something local to your community, unless you want to start a thread of how to help kids on the south side of Chicago get into this community.

Apology accepted, as well as the agreement to disagree as well. FWIW, I've lived in some very choice parts of Oakland and Brooklyn throughout my life, so I am familiar with the environment, and the need for safety. The hard work in normalizing relations is exactly that: giving people that set off your spidey sense an opportunity for honest work.

Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by [deleted] »

YuriNiyazov wrote: post #148
cpher wrote: post #146

I would even go one step further. Certainly less than felons. For some reason in Chicago, I at least feel "safer" in a taxi because of the screaming decals and colors of the car. I had an Uber from the southside to Midway, and I felt like just getting into his car I was being set up in a sting operation. I (white guy) shrunk down in the back seat the entire time. The dude was nice, but holy shit what does CPD think w…

Congratulations on your blatant racism. You go to southside, and you object that the person that is working in that neighborhood fits "the stereotype".

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Re: Lyft and Uber to Halt Operations in Austin After Voters Reject Proposal

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Post by dang »

cpher wrote: post #146

I would even go one step further. Certainly less than felons. For some reason in Chicago, I at least feel "safer" in a taxi because of the screaming decals and colors of the car. I had an Uber from the southside to Midway, and I felt like just getting into his car I was being set up in a sting operation. I (white guy) shrunk down in the back seat the entire time. The dude was nice, but holy shit what does CPD think w…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11655027 and marked it off-topic. Your comment wasn't off-topic per se but it threw the thread that way.

The personal attacks were bad but you already know that. The racial comments are a problem because whether you mean them that way or not, people are certain to read them as slurs. It's hard to conceive of a comment like yours not throwing an HN thread off the rails.

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