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Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by Perceval »

eru wrote: post #50
joeyo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be as simple as mirroring wikipedia but never propagating the deletions. Trying to edit an article would redirect one to wikipedia; trying to edit a deleted article would instead edit the local copy (in the event of the article being recreated on wikipedia at a later date there could be an automatic upstream merge).

This might be a good start. Though you will also want to keep links to the deleted articles alive.

If you took half a second to look through the "New pages" feed, and saw not only the hideous quality and dubious nature of nearly all newly created pages, but also the vast quantity of new articles created every few minutes, you might rethink your position on keeping all deleted articles. Many new articles deserve speedy deletion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#82

Post by thisrod »

noj wrote: post #2

I'd say Ion is the father of modern tiling WMs.

Acme was written in the '80s, and the author of wmii and dwm states it inspired his ideas. Acme was based on Oberon, which Wirth wrote so long ago that he had to build his own hardware to run it on.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#83

Post by whughes »

scott_s wrote: post #71
ig1 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia also lives and dies by it's reputation. People have tried forking Wikipedia with more inclusive policies numerous times (the code base and articles are open source), and they've all ended up filled with junk. I was involved with Wikipedia very heavily for it's first three years (not been involved for the last 5 years), and there have been periods when it went through more liberal stages of allowing a broade…

I think people miss this subtle point, which is it's about volunteer's time and effort, not disk space. I want Wikipedia to contain as much information as humanly possible (and by "humanly" I mean across our species), but I recognize that it's a finite number of volunteers managing all of it. For that reason, it's inevitable that some articles will get cut.

If people are complaining about their articles getting cut, doesn't that mean that they care about those articles and would maintain them? Wikipedia is actively spurning volunteers and reducing that "finite number" with deletionism.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by jessriedel »

Tichy wrote: post #44

Don't have the patience to read the whole deletion policy page. Why would they want to delete such a thing? Is it inconceivable that some day somebody might stumble across the word "dwm" and look it up on Wikipedia?

People don't want Wikipedia to be dump for all possible information.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#85

Post by scott_s »

whughes wrote: post #83
scott_s wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people miss this subtle point, which is it's about volunteer's time and effort, not disk space. I want Wikipedia to contain as much information as humanly possible (and by "humanly" I mean across our species), but I recognize that it's a finite number of volunteers managing all of it. For that reason, it's inevitable that some articles will get cut.

If people are complaining about their articles getting cut, doesn't that mean that they care about those articles and would maintain them? Wikipedia is actively spurning volunteers and reducing that "finite number" with deletionism.

Not necessarily. I think people are more likely to complain than do the grunt-work of active maintenance. It's certainly easier to do so. And creating an article doesn't indicate commitment.

I think there are problems - from what I've seen, people outside of an area can be too quick to judge notability. But I find the attitude that nothing should be deleted naive.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by jessriedel »

applicative wrote: post #65
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #5

The pro-deletion side come across as dicks, but I think they're right. Does every piece of software ever written need a Wikipedia page? If you don't like where they're drawing the line, where would you draw it?

Yeah, I don't get it, what's wrong with every single open source software being a valid topic for a Wikipedia article. Every piece of open source software is of more interest than any pop singer.

What about the one I wrote in my basement?

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by joeyo »

Perceval wrote: post #81
eru wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be a good start. Though you will also want to keep links to the deleted articles alive.

If you took half a second to look through the "New pages" feed, and saw not only the hideous quality and dubious nature of nearly all newly created pages, but also the vast quantity of new articles created every few minutes, you might rethink your position on keeping all deleted articles. Many new articles deserve speedy deletion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages

Ok, so only add pages to the mirror that are older than N days or have more than M (non-reverted) edits. Probably you'd also need to have tracking for when page names change. It's not a deal-breaker.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

#88

Post by joeyo »

eru wrote: post #50
joeyo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be as simple as mirroring wikipedia but never propagating the deletions. Trying to edit an article would redirect one to wikipedia; trying to edit a deleted article would instead edit the local copy (in the event of the article being recreated on wikipedia at a later date there could be an automatic upstream merge).

This might be a good start. Though you will also want to keep links to the deleted articles alive.

That's a good point. I'll have to think about this.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by bradbeattie »

applicative wrote: post #63
nollidge wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that deleting an article should require nearly 100% "delete" votes, for if even a small group of people wish to keep it, it is obviously useful to them, and it gets in no one's way.

This does seem right. The really stupid articles -- "Hi I am George Smith I was born in Brooklyn" -- who would defend them?

George Smith and his friends.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by postfuturist »

jessriedel wrote: post #84
Tichy wrote: post #44

Don't have the patience to read the whole deletion policy page. Why would they want to delete such a thing? Is it inconceivable that some day somebody might stumble across the word "dwm" and look it up on Wikipedia?

People don't want Wikipedia to be dump for all possible information.

They are opposed to its encyclopedic nature?
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