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Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by ams6110 »

rvense wrote: post #4
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #2

Facial recognition is really scary. This was recently demonstrated for Russia's Facebook, VKontakte, when a service appeared that let you look up people on that site by photo. So people started looking up the profiles of random subway passengers, outing sex workers to their families and friends, etc.

I really don't like having my picture taken anymore. You don't where it's going to end up. I also do wonder how much infrastructure would need to be added in a country that already has a lot of video surveillance (like the UK) to implement a "find this person" feature, where you could just feed it a photo and it would go looking at all camera feeds.

Some primitive cultures don't like to be photographed because they think the camera will "steal the soul" or something along those lines.

Sort of happening now, in a way they couldn't imagine.

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by Propen »

mosquito242 wrote: post #44

I had the strangest interaction with the Messenger app a few months ago. I was spending time with friends, and I took a few pictures of all of us (didn't send them through either FB or Messenger). A few hours later, messenger popped up a notification telling me something along the lines of "Hey, I see you took pictures today of . Want to send them to her?" Made me feel incredibly creeped out that FB would take my pho…

Are these kind of things possible with WhatsApp? (on iOS specifically, and now that it even uses e2e) I don't know if I should trust them with Facebook being behind the wheel...

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by jgalt212 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #74
chinathrow wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That should be opt-in. What a fucked up feature. Edit: I don't give any of my friends consent to use that feature - yet the would still scan my face. How can this even be legal.

Lax data privacy laws in the US (compared to Europe). Lobby your congressperson to fix it.

Congress is broke and the tech companies know it and optimize against this and will continue to make hay while the sun shines (i.e. before the US produces any effective consumer privacy legislation).

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by fiatjaf »

astazangasta wrote: post #62
fiatjaf wrote: post #48

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The tech scene loves Facebook. They love React.

I love React, but I hate Facebook. I also love C and Unix and the transistor, but I never really cared for AT&T.

If you love React like most React lovers out there you love the team that makes Facebook, and you think everything they do is awesome and super cool: Flux, Flow, React Native, GraphQL and so on.

If not directly responsible, these people are at least accomplices of all the horrible things Facebook may be doing.

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by teaneedz »

untog wrote: post #33
sametmax wrote: post #20

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That's not the scary part. The scary part is that people are feeding the facebook DB with pictures, and many more data. They did it, they are doing it, and will keep it up, despite everything we told them. The scary part is that nobody cares.

That's the entirely expected part. I don't know exactly which "we" you're referring to, but the tech scene in general absolutely did not warn people about the dangers of uploading these photos, on the contrary, they encouraged it. I don't think it's reasonable to expect "everyday" people to know the dangers here. There hasn't been any education, so you can't say "nobody cares". Nobody is aware.

He has it right - nobody cares. Even when people are made aware, they still don't care. Look at the security debacle of Snapchat, not to mention its lack of ethics. Even when the issues were exposed, the majority of users didn't care. Same with FB privacy. It's not just a matter of awareness. You have to almost throw a wrench at people to wake the majority up.

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by teaneedz »

untog wrote: post #33
sametmax wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the scary part. The scary part is that people are feeding the facebook DB with pictures, and many more data. They did it, they are doing it, and will keep it up, despite everything we told them. The scary part is that nobody cares.

That's the entirely expected part. I don't know exactly which "we" you're referring to, but the tech scene in general absolutely did not warn people about the dangers of uploading these photos, on the contrary, they encouraged it. I don't think it's reasonable to expect "everyday" people to know the dangers here. There hasn't been any education, so you can't say "nobody cares". Nobody is aware.

He has it right - nobody cares. Even when people are made aware, they still don't care. Look at the security debacle of Snapchat, not to mention its lack of ethics. Even when the issues were exposed, the majority of users didn't care. Same with FB privacy. It's not just a matter of awareness. You have to almost throw a wrench at people to wake the majority up.

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by harryf »

unicornporn wrote: post #87
onewaystreet wrote: post #54

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It's called Photo Magic: "By recognizing your Facebook friends in the photos you take (just like when tagging or sharing photos on Facebook), Messenger can create a group thread for you to share the photos with those friends in just two taps." https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/12/messenger-adds-new-feat... http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/9/9696760/facebook-messenger... You can opt-out by turning off tagging suggestio…

The other day tinfoil me finally gave in and installed the Instagram app. Marshmallow gives me more granular permission control, but naturally I had to give it access to the file system to be able to upload pictures. Knowing about their ways with Messenger, I guess it's only a matter of time before Instagram scans my whole phone for images and videos to perform biometric analysis.

It gets even more fun to consider all the apps using the Facebook SDK (which is basically everyone - https://gist.github.com/ryanolsonk/e33bf9e89677da9fe8ce ). Gave any of those apps access to your photos ?

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by [deleted] »

unicornporn wrote: post #87
onewaystreet wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called Photo Magic: "By recognizing your Facebook friends in the photos you take (just like when tagging or sharing photos on Facebook), Messenger can create a group thread for you to share the photos with those friends in just two taps." https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/12/messenger-adds-new-feat... http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/9/9696760/facebook-messenger... You can opt-out by turning off tagging suggestio…

The other day tinfoil me finally gave in and installed the Instagram app. Marshmallow gives me more granular permission control, but naturally I had to give it access to the file system to be able to upload pictures. Knowing about their ways with Messenger, I guess it's only a matter of time before Instagram scans my whole phone for images and videos to perform biometric analysis.

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Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by the_ancient »

saturncoleus wrote: post #19
rvense wrote: post #4

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I really don't like having my picture taken anymore. You don't where it's going to end up. I also do wonder how much infrastructure would need to be added in a country that already has a lot of video surveillance (like the UK) to implement a "find this person" feature, where you could just feed it a photo and it would go looking at all camera feeds.

Getting your picture taken kind of puts you on the defensive, but that probably isn't going away. You have to be able to go outside, go to the bank, go to work, and go to the grocery store. Each of those places are going to have cameras up for their own peace of mind. The alternative would be to not go out and enjoy life, which is the worse of the two options.

There are all kinds of ways to allow security camera's while still protecting ones privacy.

but we are never even talking about security camera, which by default I have given my permission by shopping in the store for the store to take my photo for the purpose of security.

We are talking about one 3rd party taking your photo with out your permission (or with), then with out your permission again transfer that photo Facebook and other companies, then those companies with out your permission again use that photo to built unknown amounts of Biometeric and other data, as well as combine that photo with other photos to build a database of unknown location, shopping, and other data, which is then combined with unknown quantities of other data about you from other source.

We need to understand the concept of PII Ownership, if a company like Facebook, google, or any one else has collected information on me I should be able to submit something to them and they should be required to tell me What they have collect, and whom they have shared that info with, I should also have the option to tell them to permanently purge all records of my PII from their databases.

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