I had the strangest interaction with the Messenger app a few months ago. I was spending time with friends, and I took a few pictures of all of us (didn't send them through either FB or Messenger). A few hours later, messenger popped up a notification telling me something along the lines of "Hey, I see you took pictures today of . Want to send them to her?" Made me feel incredibly creeped out that FB would take my pho…
Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs
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#72Stop fighting it, just stop using it.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't like having my picture taken anymore. You don't where it's going to end up. I also do wonder how much infrastructure would need to be added in a country that already has a lot of video surveillance (like the UK) to implement a "find this person" feature, where you could just feed it a photo and it would go looking at all camera feeds.
Or how about a feature that, given a photo, will predict where the depicted person will be tomorrow evening? Given a sufficiently large number of photos and their timestamps, this kind of "functionality" is possible.
NSA Co-traveler: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/12/meet-co-traveler-nsas-...
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's called Photo Magic: "By recognizing your Facebook friends in the photos you take (just like when tagging or sharing photos on Facebook), Messenger can create a group thread for you to share the photos with those friends in just two taps." https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/12/messenger-adds-new-feat... http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/9/9696760/facebook-messenger... You can opt-out by turning off tagging suggestio…
That should be opt-in. What a fucked up feature. Edit: I don't give any of my friends consent to use that feature - yet the would still scan my face. How can this even be legal.
Lobby your congressperson to fix it.
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#75Facial recognition is really scary. This was recently demonstrated for Russia's Facebook, VKontakte, when a service appeared that let you look up people on that site by photo. So people started looking up the profiles of random subway passengers, outing sex workers to their families and friends, etc.
Scary, but inevitable, no? As technology improves, it's hard to imagine regulations keeping pace with preventing this sort of thing ... And even if they did, then it would only be used by criminals and governments (while I may call it criminal, they would likely exclude themselves from any such regulation), and I'm not sure that situation (criminals and governments being the only users of the technology) is a better…
I don't really see why. The main risks with modern big data storage and mining technologies mostly come from the "big" part. A single random person passing you in the street and seeing you out and about for a few seconds probably isn't much of a threat to you. A casual photo in someone's family holiday album where you were in the background probably isn't much of a threat to you either. Nor is a snapshot from a CCTV camera in a store where you shopped.
On the other hand, a few thousand such records in electronic form, all uploaded to the same site that is systematically scanning them, extracting all the metadata that went with each of them, and then correlating all of that with other data that can identify you from your face... That is a threat to you in all kinds of ways. However, the only organisations capable of posing such a threat are those that have access to sufficiently large amounts of data. There aren't actually very many of those.
Governments and essential services that you use often are one category. In a way, this is the trickiest area ethically, because there is obvious scope for abuse of large data sets and there are obvious security risks to keeping such data at all, but sometimes these organisations also have legitimate reasons for processing such data. The parts of governments that operate in the public eye, which is most of them, probably aren't going to break whatever rules we decide are ethically appropriate and codify through laws or official regulations, though.
Another major category is services you deal with regularly. If you shop at a store and they use surveillance technology for legitimate security purposes, that's one thing. If you shop at a store that is part of a larger organisation and the members of that organisation pool their footage and analyse it for other purposes such as customer tracking and marketing as well, that's a bit different. But again, there are relatively few organisations with the ability to collect, store and process large enough volumes of data to pose a significant general threat to privacy. It seems unlikely that these organisations would try too hard to push the boundaries on what is permitted, if the rules are reasonably clear and the penalties for breaking them significant.
The really shady category, IMHO, is the organisations that collect large amounts of data about you by getting other people to provide it. The moment your friend installs a social network's app on their phone and gives it (intentionally or otherwise) permission to upload and scan the data from their phone, the social network also has your phone number and so on. Of course, in places like the EU where there are stronger data protection and privacy laws, the legality of doing so has been challenged several times. But the greatest con the likes of Facebook ever pulled in building their massive databases was solving the scalability and jurisdictional problems by getting almost everyone to spy on each other for them. Even if you choose not to participate yourself, at their scale there will be dozens if not hundreds of people helpfully providing a very detailed set of data about you to Facebook anyway, with Facebook actively encouraging them to do so. Moreover, unlike the case with your own government or services you physically visit or use in person, social networks and the like operate internationally and aren't necessarily subject to the same data protection controls, as long as they can rig it so that they aren't actually the ones transferring personal data out of a controlled area, which of course they also solve by getting your friends to do it for them.
What all of these cases have in common is that they are big organisations dealing with lots of people. The data mining and mass surveillance aspects typically only work as a significant threat to privacy at large scales. And if they're big enough to do that, and not secretive enough to literally hide behind special laws in the way that government security services do, they're also big enough to be actively monitored for compliance and if necessary penalised for non-compliance by regulatory authorities.
Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs
#76Facial recognition is really scary. This was recently demonstrated for Russia's Facebook, VKontakte, when a service appeared that let you look up people on that site by photo. So people started looking up the profiles of random subway passengers, outing sex workers to their families and friends, etc.
That's not the scary part. The scary part is that people are feeding the facebook DB with pictures, and many more data. They did it, they are doing it, and will keep it up, despite everything we told them. The scary part is that nobody cares.
Most people who "don't care", do not understand the ramifications. Hence, they "don't care".
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#78Not merely will it store biometric data, if you happen to use their Messenger to share photos, those photos will remain stored on their servers even after you've deleted the associated conversation. Facebook's disregard for privacy and content control for its users is the biggest problem with its platform by far. And with its latest profit reports, it's bound to get worse.
Won't use FB for a lot of what's already been mentioned in the thread.
Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs
#79I had the strangest interaction with the Messenger app a few months ago. I was spending time with friends, and I took a few pictures of all of us (didn't send them through either FB or Messenger). A few hours later, messenger popped up a notification telling me something along the lines of "Hey, I see you took pictures today of . Want to send them to her?" Made me feel incredibly creeped out that FB would take my pho…
Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's called Photo Magic: "By recognizing your Facebook friends in the photos you take (just like when tagging or sharing photos on Facebook), Messenger can create a group thread for you to share the photos with those friends in just two taps." https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/12/messenger-adds-new-feat... http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/9/9696760/facebook-messenger... You can opt-out by turning off tagging suggestio…
That should be opt-in. What a fucked up feature. Edit: I don't give any of my friends consent to use that feature - yet the would still scan my face. How can this even be legal.