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Parachutes aren't massless. The parachutes you'd need to land a rocket like this are actually comparable in mass to the extra fuel and landing legs needed for the vertical landing approach. You also can't land on a ship with parachutes. You don't have enough control. You can still land at sea, but then you have to actually land in the water, which means getting seawater on all your rocket hardware. That causes lots o…
If the problem is simply the seawater, you could use a large plastic liner to create a pool of fresh water floating in the sea, and land in that.
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NASA landed a first stage on a barge to be re-used?
NASA reused every engine (not just the first stage) of an orbital payload delivery system, many times, 30 years ago. Runway rather than barge but that's not really an important difference. (The exciting part will be much cheaper refurbishment than the STS. But SpaceX haven't actually delivered on that component yet)
SpaceX took their landed first stage directly over to the test pad to fire the engines multiple times. It's not really apples to apples.
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#233> P.S. Downvotes for this question? Really? There are always people on HN who love being contrarian and trying to diminish amazing things. It's like they hate seeing people excited for something and want to point out that this isn't that big of a deal. We're literally watching things happen for the first time ever, and this person's response is "what's so great about this?" while implying that people who are excited…
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
NASA reused every engine (not just the first stage) of an orbital payload delivery system, many times, 30 years ago. Runway rather than barge but that's not really an important difference. (The exciting part will be much cheaper refurbishment than the STS. But SpaceX haven't actually delivered on that component yet)
While that is true, by the time they rebuilt them, you might as well call them new engines. SpaceX took their landed first stage directly over to the test pad to fire the engines multiple times. It's not really apples to apples.
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
NASA landed a first stage on a barge to be re-used?
NASA reused every engine (not just the first stage) of an orbital payload delivery system, many times, 30 years ago. Runway rather than barge but that's not really an important difference. (The exciting part will be much cheaper refurbishment than the STS. But SpaceX haven't actually delivered on that component yet)
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Pretty sure he means the barge would sink from the big hole he thought the rocket would put in it.
Of course, but my point is that the barge is so much more massive that the idea of punching a hole all the way through doesn't really make sense, and even if that were possible, such a small hole wouldn't sink it anyway.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's tribalism, which is never good, no matter how common or accepted it might be in certain regions or cultures. Much the same as sports fans cheering for their teams or extreme nationalists at a political rally, chanting such as this is symtomatic of an "us versus them" and/or a "we are better than them" mentality. I feel pride in SpaceX accomplishments even though I have in no way contributed to their success beca…
> It's tribalism, which is never good, no matter how common or accepted it might be in certain regions or cultures. If they were doing it out of tribalism they'd probably be chanting 'homegrown', which is common after a big win over competitors who recruit mostly foreigners as a way of sticking it to them. Instead my guess is that they're doing this out of acknowledgement of the infrastructure and regulation that mak…
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#239How many years out is that?
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So only about 4Gs? I somehow though it would be more and unsurvivable for humans.
Check out the flight profile on Flightclub.io -- I'm not sure how accurate their instantaneous data is but they're showing ~12g acceleration upon landing the booster. Seems more like what I'd expect.
The actual force would have been closer to 5.1G
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/4htenu/rspacex_jcsa...
Ugh sorry, there's a bug of some sort in Flight Club there. There's no way it was that large. A constant deceleration down from terminal velocity over 6 seconds is
a = (300 - 0)/6 = 50m/s2 = 5.1g
I'll need to look into that
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/4htenu/rspacex_jcsa...
So it looks like that peak is due to the sudden increase in drag during my landing legs deployment. I deploy them at 500m altitude which is a time when the stage is probably still moving a bit too fast. It's a really large increase in cross-sectional area, but I'm probably not treating it correctly. I'll revise before Thaicom-8