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Good ol' HN. These folks are pushing the boundaries like nobody else, advancing humanity more than a thousand Facebooks or Snapchats ever could, but if they express pride in their work it's a "circle jerk."

Well the advances remain to be seen in the decades to come. I could understand that level of excitement for putting a person on Mars but not for a satellite deployment or ISS restocking mission. Maybe it's just a cultural difference but there is something unsettling and cringey about seeing those employees act so enthusiastic. Is it genuine? Maybe for some employees. But the camera setup makes me think there is some…

The main missions are fairly routine and I don't see people getting particularly excited about those. What everybody's excited about is the landings, and those absolutely deserve every bit of excitement we can put up.

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It's a quirky American thing. But plenty of other countries do it to. Not surprisingly it originates in sports like most of these kinds of chants. Go to an international football/soccer match sometime and let me know how many national chants you hear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHFm3pBA90 ("TAE HAN MIN GUK!" "Great Korean People's Country") Here's a show giving fun lessons on how to properly do the chant https:…

> I've heard a bunch of Brits chant something similar "UK! UK! UK! UK!" before. Are you sure they weren't just mocking Americans? :) c.f. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyHSjv9gxlE

I'm pretty sure they were definitely mocking the American U-S-A chant, but everybody was having a fun time of it. Americans and Brits are always giving each other some ribbing anyways and I think everybody understood that these kinds of chants are kind of tongue in cheek in many ways.

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Slightly off topic but I was watching a television show the other day and someone said they worked at NASA. The host then said "So you're literally a rocket scientist?" And the guy said emphatically "Rocket engineer, there is a big difference" I'm sure this particular task probably was a little bit of both. After all, they had to run several real world experiments to prove their calculations.

Here's a reason why that guy answered it that way. Note these are my definitions but I've heard it before. Scientist: Studies and uncovers mysteries of the universe and natural world Engineer: Applies what scientists discovers

I think it's more...

Sciencing: Uncovering mysteries about the world. Engineering: Applying such discoveries.

Scientist: Predominantly sciences. Engineer: Predominantly engineers.

There's so much overlap it would make sense for C.V.s of either to include a % science/engineering to suss out their own feel for both history and preference of activity.

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Based on some talks the first lunar landings were way more adventurous and lucky than what SpaceX is doing. Making a snooker trick shot is nice, announcing it and doing it twice is another thing.

What about announcing it and doing it six times? That's the number of times we landed men on the moon. Let's not try to downplay NASA's previous successes as "lucky" and "adventurous" in order to make SpaceX seem more advanced in an engineering sense.

You're right. Funnily my answer was an attempt at not dismissing SpaceX advances too.

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NASA landed a first stage on a barge to be re-used?

NASA reused every engine (not just the first stage) of an orbital payload delivery system, many times, 30 years ago. Runway rather than barge but that's not really an important difference. (The exciting part will be much cheaper refurbishment than the STS. But SpaceX haven't actually delivered on that component yet)

> Runway rather than barge but that's not really an important difference.

it is an important difference when you look beyond earth

the moon, mars, and any future site that has yet to send robots to pave a runaway that is: 4,500 meters long, 91 meters wide, and 40 centimeters thick(o); will necessarily be vertical take off and landing

(o) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Landing_Facility

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Parachutes aren't massless. The parachutes you'd need to land a rocket like this are actually comparable in mass to the extra fuel and landing legs needed for the vertical landing approach. You also can't land on a ship with parachutes. You don't have enough control. You can still land at sea, but then you have to actually land in the water, which means getting seawater on all your rocket hardware. That causes lots o…

If the problem is simply the seawater, you could use a large plastic liner to create a pool of fresh water floating in the sea, and land in that.

Given the lack of fine guidance control that parachutes imply, your "large" plastic liner would have to be miles in diameter.

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How are non-US space agencies and companies (like ESA, Russia, Japan, China, etc) reacting to the SpaceX and Blue Origin achievements? Are they also testing similar things but we aren't hearing? Or they aren't threatened by the advances?

Airbus is working on Adeline, which would fly back and recover the first-stage engines and avionics (but not the fuel tanks) on an Ariane rocket. The Chinese have mentioned an effort to recover and reuse first stages by landing them with parachutes. So far, the Russians seem to think the effort isn't worthwhile. Closer to home, ULA's new Vulcan rocket is supposed to recover the first stage engines (but again, not the…

Wikipedia says Ariane 6's first test flight is scheduled for 2020, and Adeline will arrive between 2025 and 2030.

Meanwhile, SpaceX plans to launch a Mars mission in 2018.

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If the problem is simply the seawater, you could use a large plastic liner to create a pool of fresh water floating in the sea, and land in that.

Given the lack of fine guidance control that parachutes imply, your "large" plastic liner would have to be miles in diameter.

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NASA reused every engine (not just the first stage) of an orbital payload delivery system, many times, 30 years ago. Runway rather than barge but that's not really an important difference. (The exciting part will be much cheaper refurbishment than the STS. But SpaceX haven't actually delivered on that component yet)

> Runway rather than barge but that's not really an important difference. it is an important difference when you look beyond earth the moon, mars, and any future site that has yet to send robots to pave a runaway that is: 4,500 meters long, 91 meters wide, and 40 centimeters thick(o); will necessarily be vertical take off and landing (o) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Landing_Facility

If and when SpaceX land rockets beyond Earth, that will very much be something to get excited about.

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If the problem is simply the seawater, you could use a large plastic liner to create a pool of fresh water floating in the sea, and land in that.

Given the lack of fine guidance control that parachutes imply, your "large" plastic liner would have to be miles in diameter.

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