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Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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Re: Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its advantage

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Isn't the only logical endpoint for Facebook to become a VR world where we all spend 100% of our time? That's what a forever-continuing revenue increase would create, right? And that's exactly how the incentive structures exist right now. I don't really like that society places such high emphasis on structures that create dystopias.

>VR world where we all spend 100% of our time Farmville !! I can't wait !!

You mignt as well just ask...Why not VR Zoidberg?

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At the end of the day society has to decide, are we going to let people make there own decisions or are we going to decide for them? It might very from topic to topic (ex: tobacco vs. unhealthy foods), but it's one definitive answer per topic.

Right, but as I stated above that debate is out of scope. I'm just disputing the notion that fostering addiction amounts to "creating value."

Addiction can be to anything. Its all dopaminergic pathways. Maybe half the idiots arent smoking anymore, instead they are taking selfies. What you are really asking is whether many companies have built themselves into perverse incentive structures with use of dark patterns on their consumers. Absolutely.

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Kill your Facebook. Seriously. You'll feel so liberated. And showing people pictures of your recent life when you meet them or email them is so fun and you get so much more attention and conversation out of it. Best decision of my life!

Why another extreme? I spend 30-60 min on FB just to check events and answer messages, I don't think that's a waste of time, because it's still the fastest/easiest way to maintain relations with many not-very-close people and get information of the local events. I don't post anything and usually don't read other's posts and I don't go by my real name. I think it's strange that every time discussion about Facebook pops-up, people usually assume that FB users waste immense amount of time on it.

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or a cemetery

Way to get morbid HN... but yeah. Anything that distracts from original purpose is a tar pit for time. I certainly hope I don't go into a cemetery willing and end up staying...

love the way this escalated :)

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It seems like in general massively scaled technology companies don't get much love on HN. Seems odd to me as so much of what is discussed on HN is how to massively scale your own technology company.

Is it that they become othered once they pass a certain size, or go public?

What gives?

I mean, I get it that people don't like the influence of VC and finance, but that's part of the game with scaled companies.

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Maybe you can handle your social life fine but some of us who are more incompetent at it like the assistance of some automation. I'm only partly joking.

I don't know about that. I'm just honestly confused what Facebook offers for those purposes that "traditional" tools don't.

Those sound like tools for very immediate, personal attention. Facebook allows for that (like messaging or writing on someone else's timeline directly), plus a bunch of intermediate levels. For example I can post 200 photos from my vacation in an album, and it just shows up as a single item in my friends' timelines. Any of my contacts can browse it if they want, but it doesn't take up disk space in their inboxes, they can start a conversation connected to any individual photo, and it's not as insistent as if I'd sent them in an email. And if I really want someone to see it, I can tag them or just message them with the link.

Facebook also serves as an auto-updated contact list. If I update my email or phone number, many of my contacts won't have the new information. FB doesn't have that problem. In fact I can put my phone number and email on my FB profile and my contacts can optionally auto-sync that info right to their phones so it is always up-to-date. It's possible to be "friends" with someone but not "follow" them so you don't see their posts in your normal timeline but you still get their contact info. You can also make closed or open groups which are helpful for event planning and multicast messages, and "friend lists" which let you customize the reach of each post. I guess you could do that last one with email too.

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I think Philip Morris would not be wrong here. The problem here is the difference in values that individuals have. A lot of us might think of wasting time of Facebook or Casino is a bad idea but for many people it would not be the case. Facebook is essentially competing with Snapchat, Youtube, TV for time and if Facebook wins it means they are offering more value than others. People aren't going to read more books or…

Yes, there are lots of satisfying addictions competing for our time. That doesn't absolve any of them for the harm they cause. Anyone selling ads is trying to addict you to get you to see more ads. It's immoral.

I don't find it immoral.

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That so many exceptions and alternative interpretations are possible makes "value" a meaningless term. Perhaps some day reporters won't go MEGO[1] when hearing it. 1. https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/mego/

Value is just like a variable, it is a place holder for what matters. And the value of the value can vary depending on the person or the situation. It could be a positive or a negative value, a value of high importance or minimal importance. Assigning something a value just basically means you're not entirely disinterested in it.

Thanks. Well said.

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All i think of when I see the word facebook is who would use that data mining, censoring, manipulative product. To each their own but I think many dont see whats going on with it.

> many dont see whats going on with it I think we need some realistic examples of what could go wrong. To many, online privacy issues are a bit too hypothetical and abstract.

A prime example is on the front page of hacker news right now IMO.

http://www.cnet.com/news/facebooks-newest-privacy-problem-fa...

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