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Kanye West On Creativity

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Re: Kanye West On Creativity

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I'm sorry, but Mr. West is such an insufferable ass that I can't bring myself to read this.

So was Picasso. If you can't separate the artist from the art, you won't enjoy much. This essay actually betrays a vulnerability; it reveals a Heiligenstadt Testament-like calling. I, for one, am impressed.

He does seem vulnerable, even tortured. Does this go hand in hand with great creativity?

Re: Kanye West On Creativity

#32

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So was Picasso. If you can't separate the artist from the art, you won't enjoy much. This essay actually betrays a vulnerability; it reveals a Heiligenstadt Testament-like calling. I, for one, am impressed.

He does seem vulnerable, even tortured. Does this go hand in hand with great creativity?

I think it does. If you look at the lives of a lot of artists (and a lot of scientists throughout history!), it seems that a great many of them had miserable lives because of this tortured search for "something that could be better, something missing, something needed."

There's an old legend where I live, in the Czech Republic, of a fire bird. The hero sees the bird and his horse tells him, "If we turn around right now, you'll have a nice life, a quiet, happy life... but if you capture that bird, you'll cry and you'll suffer, and your life will be an amazing adventure." The horse begs him to chose the former, but of course, the hero's journey is the latter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebird_%28Slavic_folklore%29

Re: Kanye West On Creativity

#33

what exactly is impressive about kanye west vs every other pop "artist"? does anyone have any examples?

He's probably the only male in the hip-hop world that makes music with a lot of personal, emotional content. Also he has a pretty good ear for hooks, and is widely regarded as a good producer. Not a big fan myself, but I think that's basically why he's well liked.

Then again, maybe it's the shutter shades.

Re: Kanye West On Creativity

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hi - i don't know much about the guy, except that he's a rap artist. what's the new art form?

He, essentially, wrote and performed a bunch of love songs and ballads on 808s and Heartbreak. Sure, they're Auto-Tuned out of their gourds, but they're heartfelt love songs, all about a girl who left him. On some, he's angry at her, and on some, he's doing his standard "I'm awesome" thing. But, as you can imagine, most rappers don't do a concept album all about the girl who broke his heart.

The additional point that maxklein made was this was coming off one of the best softcore, pop rap albums of all time. It sold something like a million in a week, and then was huge worldwide.

He could have made another album like Graduation and sold 10 times the records 808 did. If you want to gain some respect for Kanye, go download the Graduation album and listen to it start to finish. Not only is it great, but it is very introspective and self-critical.

Re: Kanye West On Creativity

#35

what exactly is impressive about kanye west vs every other pop "artist"? does anyone have any examples?

I hated his latest album (808 and Heartbreak) and the one prior to that (Graduation) was mediocre, minus a hit or 2.

But if you listen to his first two albums, "The College Dropout" and "Late Registration", and compare it to what was being released at the time, you find something completely different.

In addition to the new sound (summary: sped up soul samples), he came with emotion as well as acceptance of his being a upper/middle-class guy (his mom was a college professor) while others would try to masquerade as gangsters.

Basically, what he did was bring relevant hip-hop to the mainstream, showing suburban kids, college students and yuppies that you can relate to rap music without having to act like someone else.

Re: Kanye West On Creativity

#37

what exactly is impressive about kanye west vs every other pop "artist"? does anyone have any examples?

He is a self-made pop artist. He was a producer, and then wrote, performed and produced his own album. Creating pop rap is not particularly common - and he leads the genre with creativity that everyone follows for a few years after.

Re: Kanye West On Creativity

#38

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So was Picasso. If you can't separate the artist from the art, you won't enjoy much. This essay actually betrays a vulnerability; it reveals a Heiligenstadt Testament-like calling. I, for one, am impressed.

He does seem vulnerable, even tortured. Does this go hand in hand with creativity?

Yes, but only for certain kinds of creativity. Hacking requires a lot of creativity, but there's not a tremendous amount of emotional content in it, so it doesn't really demand vulnerability. Even a lot of very creative musicians write from the head more than the heart (e.g., Frank Zappa, Robert Fripp, others).

A lot of artists, however, try to explore and express something about the human experience. That kind of creativity demands vulnerability, because you have to be sensitive and introspective enough to be able to channel that emotion into some kind of medium.

Re: Kanye West On Creativity

#39

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hi - i don't know much about the guy, except that he's a rap artist. what's the new art form?

there's more than one form of rap

that's true, but Not just keep repeating the same shit in slightly different forms, but go somewhere else and do something new gave me slightly higher expectations, all the same.
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