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Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by moeffju »

maurycy wrote: post #11
shabda wrote: post #3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion... This page is a lovely example of why I don't contribute to wikipedia anymore. All the arguments are along the lines of, we should delete/keep this, because (WP:A, WP:B, WP:NO, WP:YES, meatpuppets, sockpuppets, random wikipedia lingo, inuslt to people who do not know wikiepda lingo) I agree shared vocabulary helps communication, but on wikipedia it has be…

Out of curiosity, are there any Wikipedia forks? *BSD guys had a lot of similar arguments and they ended up with many flavors of BSD (OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, DragonFlyBSD etc.)

There is the Levitation Project which attempts to port Mediawiki to a Git backend. It was spawned out of pretty much this very same discussion in the German Wikipedia.

http://levit.at/ion/wiki/Main_Page

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by shabda »

goodside wrote: post #12
shabda wrote: post #3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion... This page is a lovely example of why I don't contribute to wikipedia anymore. All the arguments are along the lines of, we should delete/keep this, because (WP:A, WP:B, WP:NO, WP:YES, meatpuppets, sockpuppets, random wikipedia lingo, inuslt to people who do not know wikiepda lingo) I agree shared vocabulary helps communication, but on wikipedia it has be…

You do realize WP:N, WP:ATTP, WP:RS, etc. are all links to the policies being referenced, right? You're complaining that they're linking to policy pages to defend their opinions. If lawyers provided hyperlinks to every law they mentioned, I'd be ecstatic.

Yes, but I am not a (wikipedia) lawyer, and so I dont need/want/have the inclination to justify my actions with an alphabet soup. I just want to contribute, (and hopefully want to see is stay).

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by shrikant »

billiob wrote: post #13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miami33139 is trying to remove every free software from wikipedia (ejabberd, many IM clients, dwm…).

Interesting how in his/her user-page, Miami33139 puts forth a defensive claim of being 'inclusionist'.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by gchucky »

aw3c2 wrote: post #7
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #5

The pro-deletion side come across as dicks, but I think they're right. Does every piece of software ever written need a Wikipedia page? If you don't like where they're drawing the line, where would you draw it?

What would be the drawback?

I think at some point it would turn Wikipedia into a huge advertisement. You'd have every person who ever came up with a product create an article about how theirs does all these great things and is better than the others. If you've ever taken a look at the recently created articles list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages) you can see examples of this. People copy-paste text from press releases (which violates Wiki's policy on copyright because all articles are technically released under CC-BY-SA) and write text that's really heavily on the advertisements. And I think that there really needs to be some threshold in place, if only to keep that stuff at bay.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by acdha »

chaosmachine wrote: post #4

Wikipedia should disable "non-notable" article deletion for a year and see what happens. The rampant deletionist problem really hurts editor morale. People spend hours working on articles only to have them deleted, often for arbitrary reasons. For a site that lives and dies by its ability to attract new volunteers, they sure do their best to scare people off.

Definitely: I stopped contributing (content and money) to Wikipedia after non-notable deletions ~2006 took out most of my contributions. At the time it was noted that it was easier to list a porn star (anything with a major distributor was automatically considered notable) than an academic who hadn't managed to get a real dead-tree newspaper article written about them (journals, awards, etc. didn't count as much as 2 paragraphs in USA Today). I hope that's changed since then but it definitely killed any interest I had in contributing more time for a uninterested editor to discard without comment.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by theli0nheart »

shrikant wrote: post #26
billiob wrote: post #13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miami33139 is trying to remove every free software from wikipedia (ejabberd, many IM clients, dwm…).

Interesting how in his/her user-page, Miami33139 puts forth a defensive claim of being 'inclusionist'.

Also interesting how Miami33139 uses Ubuntu.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by nopassrecover »

gchucky wrote: post #27
aw3c2 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be the drawback?

I think at some point it would turn Wikipedia into a huge advertisement. You'd have every person who ever came up with a product create an article about how theirs does all these great things and is better than the others. If you've ever taken a look at the recently created articles list ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages ) you can see examples of this. People copy-paste text from press releases (which v…

Then these articles would be flagged as commercials or violating copyright - it's a separate issue.
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