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Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by maurycy »

shabda wrote: post #3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion... This page is a lovely example of why I don't contribute to wikipedia anymore. All the arguments are along the lines of, we should delete/keep this, because (WP:A, WP:B, WP:NO, WP:YES, meatpuppets, sockpuppets, random wikipedia lingo, inuslt to people who do not know wikiepda lingo) I agree shared vocabulary helps communication, but on wikipedia it has be…

Out of curiosity, are there any Wikipedia forks?

*BSD guys had a lot of similar arguments and they ended up with many flavors of BSD (OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, DragonFlyBSD etc.)

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by goodside »

shabda wrote: post #3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion... This page is a lovely example of why I don't contribute to wikipedia anymore. All the arguments are along the lines of, we should delete/keep this, because (WP:A, WP:B, WP:NO, WP:YES, meatpuppets, sockpuppets, random wikipedia lingo, inuslt to people who do not know wikiepda lingo) I agree shared vocabulary helps communication, but on wikipedia it has be…

You do realize WP:N, WP:ATTP, WP:RS, etc. are all links to the policies being referenced, right? You're complaining that they're linking to policy pages to defend their opinions. If lawyers provided hyperlinks to every law they mentioned, I'd be ecstatic.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by smackfu »

goodside wrote: post #12
shabda wrote: post #3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion... This page is a lovely example of why I don't contribute to wikipedia anymore. All the arguments are along the lines of, we should delete/keep this, because (WP:A, WP:B, WP:NO, WP:YES, meatpuppets, sockpuppets, random wikipedia lingo, inuslt to people who do not know wikiepda lingo) I agree shared vocabulary helps communication, but on wikipedia it has be…

You do realize WP:N, WP:ATTP, WP:RS, etc. are all links to the policies being referenced, right? You're complaining that they're linking to policy pages to defend their opinions. If lawyers provided hyperlinks to every law they mentioned, I'd be ecstatic.

Lawyers at least have to argue their points in front of a jury of laypersons. On Wikipedia, the only audience for this kind of thing is other wiki fanatics, so it just becomes more and more insular.

Also, that is kind of like the ultimate wiki defense: "any obscure terms are linked so my writing doesn't have to be clear".

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by jimmyjim »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #5

The pro-deletion side come across as dicks, but I think they're right. Does every piece of software ever written need a Wikipedia page? If you don't like where they're drawing the line, where would you draw it?

The comprehensiveness IS one of the things on which Wikipedia has all other encyclopedias beat. Why in the name of hell would you want to take that away from it?

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by smackfu »

chaosmachine wrote: post #4

Wikipedia should disable "non-notable" article deletion for a year and see what happens. The rampant deletionist problem really hurts editor morale. People spend hours working on articles only to have them deleted, often for arbitrary reasons. For a site that lives and dies by its ability to attract new volunteers, they sure do their best to scare people off.

It really is sad how much effort is put into identifying and arguing about what articles to delete. It looks like there are about 100 of these each day.

Especially since there are still so many holes in the encyclopedia. For instance, parallel giant slalom is a snowboarding event in the Olympics. Yet it doesn't have a page on Wikipedia, just a one line mention on a general snowboarding page: "an event that involves head-to-head racing". I would not be surprised if someone had created a page at some point but it was deleted for not being notable or sourced or some other junk.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

pohl wrote: post #9
aw3c2 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be the drawback?

It wastes 4K of storage that might otherwise be devoted to something more "notable", like a plot summary for last night's episode of Lost.

You're the only one that, however obliquely, answered my question ("Where would you draw the line?") so maybe you can explain to everyone else why you feel plot summaries from TV shows are not worthy, when the popular opinion seems to be that there is no reason to delete anything from Wikipedia.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by eru »

maurycy wrote: post #11
shabda wrote: post #3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion... This page is a lovely example of why I don't contribute to wikipedia anymore. All the arguments are along the lines of, we should delete/keep this, because (WP:A, WP:B, WP:NO, WP:YES, meatpuppets, sockpuppets, random wikipedia lingo, inuslt to people who do not know wikiepda lingo) I agree shared vocabulary helps communication, but on wikipedia it has be…

Out of curiosity, are there any Wikipedia forks? *BSD guys had a lot of similar arguments and they ended up with many flavors of BSD (OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD, DragonFlyBSD etc.)

Some spammers mirror it.. But that's about it.

If you can work out a good way to share most edits between the forks --- because most edits won't be a source of argument --- then you have a fighting chance.

Re: Father of the moderm tiling WMs proposed for deletion in Wikipedia.

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Post by ghaff »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #18
pohl wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wastes 4K of storage that might otherwise be devoted to something more "notable", like a plot summary for last night's episode of Lost.

You're the only one that, however obliquely, answered my question ("Where would you draw the line?") so maybe you can explain to everyone else why you feel plot summaries from TV shows are not worthy, when the popular opinion seems to be that there is no reason to delete anything from Wikipedia.

I dare say he was being sarcastic. While there is perhaps some minimal bar on notability, it seems that it has to be a very low bar on a site that, as noted, has entries for things like episodes of TV shows or obscure cartoon characters.
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