Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by cm2187 » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:58 PM UTC

mynameisvlad wrote: post #93

unprepare wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you under the impression that automatic security updates is what people dislike about windows 10? Its mostly the: telemetry openended ToS poor upgrade/reinstall behavior resulting in lost licenses overly complicated licensing structure (with articles like this showing the professional license feature set degrading over time) forced integration of unrelated products (cortana, bing) integration of advertising into…

Full disclosure: I work at Microsoft but outside of Windows. > poor upgrade/reinstall behavior resulting in lost licenses I have never experienced this. If you bought Windows 10 straight up (or your computer came with one) then you have a product key you can use, just like before. If you upgraded from 7/8 or are in the Insider Program, then you get a digital entitlement to your Microsoft account which gets restored a…

And ads in the start menu http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-disable-windows-10-start...

Why would I want this in a software I am paying for? Particularly the Pro version!

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by TheRealDunkirk » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:01 PM UTC

The ball is back in Apple's court. They seem to take the end user more seriously, but they've been mixed. I made a comment taking Microsoft to task when their surreptitious telemetry came to light, and someone pointed me to proof that Apple was doing about the same thing. This is Apple's chance to continue to distance themselves from their competition. They've done well standing up for privacy, with the recent FBI demand to decrypt iPhones, but this is a chance to go further.

Man, I really wish Google would release their desktop Linux. Ubuntu is OK, but someone with pockets like that could finish the job, and make a credible, consumer-accessible, 3rd alternative to keep BOTH #1 and #2 on their toes. If I could just run Linux-supported games with the same performance as under Windows -- I'm not even talking Windows games under Wine -- I might finally get rid of my Windows partition to get away from such things. Valve has got to be working on a Linux distro, which they will release on their SteamBox (along with Half-Life 3, mark my words), but who knows when THAT will be.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by camperman » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC

askyourmother wrote: post #25

meepmorp wrote: post #7

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You forgot to call them M$; that's how people know to take you seriously.

Good point - we have enough of troutlook, sexchange, internet exploder, and all the other crappy products they hawk.

Don't forget lookout express.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by eumoria » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #90

GigabyteCoin wrote: post #31

And this particular sysadmin-for-my-family will no longer allow windows to be installed on any of our computers whenever they are in need of a reinstall. Windows is becoming more and more like Facebook. Too many users changed a setting you don't agree with? Just block access to that setting or call it something else to confuse enough people to the point that the numbers are "good enough" for management. Almost every…

One thing that windows 10 absolutely hates users changing is firewall rules. I regularly see my custom rules disappearing. This is unacceptable .

Are you modifying existing rules or creating entirely new ones?

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by eumoria » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #90

GigabyteCoin wrote: post #31

And this particular sysadmin-for-my-family will no longer allow windows to be installed on any of our computers whenever they are in need of a reinstall. Windows is becoming more and more like Facebook. Too many users changed a setting you don't agree with? Just block access to that setting or call it something else to confuse enough people to the point that the numbers are "good enough" for management. Almost every…

One thing that windows 10 absolutely hates users changing is firewall rules. I regularly see my custom rules disappearing. This is unacceptable .

Are you modifying existing rules or creating entirely new ones?

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by cm2187 » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:06 PM UTC

eumoria wrote: post #104

cm2187 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that windows 10 absolutely hates users changing is firewall rules. I regularly see my custom rules disappearing. This is unacceptable .

Are you modifying existing rules or creating entirely new ones?

Creating new rules to open a specific port. I have seen them deleted twice in a year.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by camperman » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:07 PM UTC

I always snigger at the formula of Microsoft's public statements. You just know that in the first paragraph it will claim - disingenuously - to be doing the exact opposite of whatever it's accused of. And sure enough the very first sentence is:

"Microsoft is focused on helping enterprises manage their environment while giving people choice in the apps and devices they use to be productive across work and life."

You can take this sentence, and without knowing any other details at all, figure out that the company is somehow preventing enterprises from managing their environments properly or restricting app and device choice or both.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by notsotrue » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:08 PM UTC

keithpeter wrote: post #67

jrcii wrote: post #54

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I lived through the exact same disaster. I spent HOURS on the phone trying to acquire a license for Windows 7 Enterprise, I needed it for Hyper-V. Microsoft's main number, dead-end IVR system. Tried the Microsoft Store, they routed me to the dead-end IVR system. 50 or so minutes after my initial attempt I got some person that could barely speak English from India routing me to a voicemail, a couple of times Microsoft…

"The whole process made me feel like I was losing my mind." And perhaps Microsoft shareholders are beginning to feel as if they might be losing their capital soonish... This sounds like The End.

A tad hyperbolic, don't you think?

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by chris_wot » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

superuser2 wrote: post #69

cortesoft wrote: post #36

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If those 'wrong' people are Microsoft employees, they should have directed him to the right people. If they didn't, then it is absolutely Microsoft's fault.

Microsoft sales are generally handled through small VARs (value-added resellers) which are hyper-local and send salespeople and technicians to drive around to local businesses. These VARs in turn buy from large distributors with more elite Microsoft partner status like Ingram Micro. Players at every level participate in some kind of Certified Partner Program and must be certified by the next level up the chain as con…

So they should have directed him to a competent VAR then. They don't appear to have done that! The ball is most certainly still in Microsoft's court.

Re: Microsoft no longer allows admins to block Windows Store access in Win10 Pro

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Post by pg_is_a_butt » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

If Microsoft wants SMBs to use Enterprise then make the Enterprise edition more easily available to SMBs, don't try to force them to move to it by making petty little changes to make their life more difficult. I can go on the Google Apps website right now and buy myself seats with a few clicks and a few minutes. If I want to buy Windows Enterprise licenses it will take weeks, cost an unclear amount (at the onset), an…

you can do all of this... i wrote the software. the only problem is the software is for the value added resellers to get the software before they sell it to you. it would be so simple to automate away sales people. ask ryan about version 2.0. TBD.