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Who Invented Homework?

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Re: Who Invented Homework?

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>burn time plugging things into (-b +- sqrt (b2-4ac)) / 2a I swear to god, I had so much of that to do, I got tired of it and learned enough python in one night, at 15, to get the computer to do my homework for me.

I did that too, though in BASIC on a TI-83+. When I showed it to my math teacher, she said that I could use the program on any future homework and tests as long as I turned in a paragraph explaining step-by-step how the program worked.

Same. For me, it was physics and the teacher was interested in how I did it, so I brought in my laptop and showed him the Visual Basic IDE and explained how it worked. He wasn't questioning that I had done it as much as he was intrigued that I had made such a thing. I wasn't allowed to use it on tests (laptops weren't allowed in class back then) but I didn't mind that much since I knew the formulas forward and backward by then.

I also typed all my papers and assignments because my handwriting was atrocious. Only a few teachers took issue with this, and as an adult, I can't say I've had to do any cursive or write out an essay on paper for any reason.

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Massive amounts of homework is the perfect training for future work in North America. When kids get used to doing 60-80 hours worth of schoolwork for the same education that can be done in 40 hours they won't complain when their future boss demands 60-80 hours of work for the pay of 40 hours.

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The article sources an another article that states that Finland doesn't have any homework, which is a statement I have no idea where it comes from. As a finnish guy, I can ensure you that there's homework being assigned on every grade from first grade to the last course you take at a university. Unless I have participated in some sort of twisted experiment where I have been given homework to do while others just pretend there are doing them.

Re: Who Invented Homework?

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If he's seven, he was probably coloring in ten frames, which are used to build a stronger conceptual understanding of our base-10 number system. The model starts out with physical objects, moves to visual representations of those objects ("coloring in"), then to abstraction. From there, students use those techniques to move away from the to develop good mental math strategies. If you were doing 17 + 35 on a ten frame…

Or you could teach somebody how to 'carry the 1' and get this done in a less mentally taxing way, being faster and still understandable. This looks like a brain dump of how 'somebody somewhere' conceptualizes math and now we're all supposed to put it in play en masse because it 'shows the work'. I look at this math and if I was in 3rd grade, I would know in my gut this is BS. Does anyone actually think that more writ…

I'm not impressed when my students can add two numbers together. I want to know if they understand the math behind the algorithm.

You like "the old way" because that is how you learned it. But when push comes to shove, I bet you actually use pflats method to do math in your head.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/07/abou...

Re: Who Invented Homework?

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>My feelings now are that there really shouldn't be any mandatory homework. Been there, tried it. Didn't work. I wish it did, but it didn't. There's a reason teachers assign homework. We're not a craven group that goes out of our way to say, "Look I'm teaching, they have loads of books to read. Can't help it if they don't." We are, universally, strapped for time. Classroom time is best served teaching new topics, not…

Good to get the input of a teacher on this, I appreciate it. Have you checked with kids who are several years out of education? My sense from talking to people is if they didn't give a shit in school, they will not know it once they're out. And they could have done perfectly fine in tests, because of course they were forced to study. In general, I get the feeling the kids who retain things after school are ONLY the o…

>You end up with a you-know-how-to-learn-for-life idea, but that's always been unsatisfying for me.

Public schooling (in the US) will always feel like it's torn between the two extremes of giving a strong liberal arts, "learn for life" education and giving a strong vocational, "useful in the real world" education. In my experience, it's actually neither. Education is an equalizer.

>What I'm getting at is whether you can really learn anything without having some sort of intrinsic interest, and whether it's worthwhile to force people to learn stuff that they will forget even existed in a few years.

Yes, 100 times over, to both of them. The former is not like riding a bike, but maybe like cooking a favorite meal you haven't made in years. An adult might have forgotten the quadratic equation, how to apply it, and how to use it, but give them 5 minutes of instruction and most will be right back in the swing of things.

The second half, though, is so important, that I think it's worth quoting again.

>[Is it] worthwhile to force people to learn stuff that they will forget even existed in a few years

It is incredibly important to force people to learn stuff that they might forget even existed in a few years. A free and appropriate public education is one of the greatest things we as a civilization can provide to our citizens. Education is possibly the greatest civil right we possess.

If we, as a collective people, do not mandate schools offer classes on how to analyze text and history, write a persuasive essay, solve advanced algebra and geometry problems, and the natural sciences, then some schools simply will not offer those courses. If we do not mandate that every student take these courses, then some students will not take those courses. And if they don't have access to these courses, then they don't have equal access to higher education. (Not to mention how important some topics in Algebra I and II are to managing your finances and understanding compounding interest.)

These will generally be the schools and students that are already the most disadvantaged. The inner-city schools that are counting every dollar. The children of the drunks that you mentioned, the children of loving and well-meaning parents that work three part-time jobs that simply don't have the time to follow up on the minutia, and the special education students that are just as smart as their peers but require support to show that. These students all deserve the opportunity to take those classes. If the classes aren't required, they might not even get that chance.

To put it another way: I'm guessing you and your peers were likely exposed to computers by the time you were, I dunno, 16? Not all of you went on to work in tech and post on Hacker News. But all of you had the opportunity to work in tech and post on Hacker News. If you didn't ever get to interact with a computer until you were an adult, and even then you had to seek it out yourself, how would that change things in your life?

Education has to do that for every student, in every subject.

Re: Who Invented Homework?

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So sick of my 7 year old getting math work and asking him what he did that day only to hear much of it was little more than coloring in. They are leaving the hard stuff for homework.

If he's seven, he was probably coloring in ten frames, which are used to build a stronger conceptual understanding of our base-10 number system. The model starts out with physical objects, moves to visual representations of those objects ("coloring in"), then to abstraction. From there, students use those techniques to move away from the to develop good mental math strategies. If you were doing 17 + 35 on a ten frame…

Oh my. I used to do 17 + 35 = 35 + 17 = 35 + 20 + (20-17) = 55 - 3 = 52.

And then I found out that my father used to think the same way, but not my mother, who was a teacher a long time ago and just for few years.

And my breakthrough for that didn't happen when using all those squares (for 1s and 100s) or rows (for 10s).

Re: Who Invented Homework?

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I don't know why this is being downvoted. Teaching a language to students with mixed levels of previous knowledge and motivation is extremely hard. The schools I went to could never manage it. I learned English from Japanese videogames that had been translated to English by Ted Woolsey.

> I learned English from Japanese videogames Did you set us up the bomb?

What you say !!

I remember having an interesting discussion with my Spanglish-speaking friends about whether "All your base" was supposed to mean "your entire base" or "each and every one of your bases". My Engrish-speaking friend could immediately tell that the second interpretation was the correct one.

Re: Who Invented Homework?

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Homework can be a good bridge to university studies imo. I would certainly have benefited from learning self-disciplined study earlier on rather than coasting through the Swedish equivalent of high school and then swapping straight into university. For under 12s or so I dont see a reason for homework. For 12-18 year olds I think gradually moving to a more self-driven study environment would be a good thing given that…

Homework doesn't really teach self-discipline, because it is an external motivation. If anything, I think it can work against that goal, because once people finish their mandatory work, they have no energy or enthusiasm left to learn for their own sake. Perhaps I'm projecting, but mostly homework taught me how to do the minimum possible so I could get back to playing video games.

Homework taught me how do that boring thing faster so that I could do interesting thing.

I think I could have learned more if I spent more time talking and seeing my family doing things instead of having my mother in the kitchen, doing dinner, while I was in front of my notebook writing down again the things .

Re: Who Invented Homework?

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If he's seven, he was probably coloring in ten frames, which are used to build a stronger conceptual understanding of our base-10 number system. The model starts out with physical objects, moves to visual representations of those objects ("coloring in"), then to abstraction. From there, students use those techniques to move away from the to develop good mental math strategies. If you were doing 17 + 35 on a ten frame…

That is a horribly complicated way to do 17 + 35. The sane way is to try matching against a pattern, then if that fails you fall back to the traditional algorithm with the numbers lined up one over the other and doing the carries. Yes, you can run the traditional algorithm in your head, for this and for much larger things. Fully in memory, 4-digit plus 4-digit is quite doable. (can your method handle that?) While sta…

>(can your method handle that?)

It's not "my" method. I'm not quite sure what I did to merit attitude and hostility, but to answer your question:

Yes. Third-graders are expected to do it with 3-digit numbers. You'll have to take my word for it that I'm capable of adding 4-digit numbers.

http://www.corestandards.org/Math/Content/3/NBT/#CCSS.Math.C...

Re: Who Invented Homework?

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Out of curiosity, does this mean that you didn't have any English lessons in school? I ask because in the field of Second Language Acquisition there's a pretty strong consensus that the optimal path to language learning involves a combination of classroom instruction augmented by interaction with (reading, listening) & use of (speaking, writing) the language. I've spent most of my career as a language teacher, and th…

I did have some, they began slightly later than I've got hold of a PC. I do think that some school lessons contributed their share. I just don't think that sitting behind a desk for two hours per week, for ten years, is necessary or desired. After a few years I did not need much "training wheels" and could continue to increase proficiency regardless.

> After a few years I did not need much "training wheels" and could continue to increase proficiency regardless.

Every teacher's dream outcome. Congratulations! :)

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