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Re: I’m Sorry

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Post by ordinary »

andy_ppp wrote: post #163
sigmar wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "terrible evidence" It was lengthy, time-consuming, very clearly fabricated evidence. He claimed he had private keys tied to Satoshi, but refused to sign anything with it (which would have taken 30 seconds).

I wasn't clear; if you were trying to throw people off the scent of who made Bitcoin by making everyone think it wasn't you this is a pretty successful attempt- I think he's a troll but don't discount the possibility that it's really him :-D

No one thought it was him before he spoke out, and no one believes it is him now. There was no scent to throw people off of.

Re: I’m Sorry

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Post by biswaroop »

Geekette wrote: post #158
biswaroop wrote: post #147

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Serious question, but why are we all so serious? Maybe he's a pathological liar; maybe he wants fame; maybe he's just a conman. Does the bitcoin or tech community gain something from hoping for his arrest?

What exactly is unacceptable about hoping that an established liar and conman is made to account for his actions? At the very least, getting millions of dollars from fraudulently claimed tax credits is certainly not a trivial issue. Also don't understand why it would be acceptable to anyone that he should get away with falsely claiming an identity despite contradictory evidence and potentially smearing the image of b…

I hope he's held accountable too; it's just the vitriol in the threads that surprised me.

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Post by pavedwalden »

dandrick wrote: post #168
dzdt wrote: post #50

He had promised to do the impossible -- cryptographically prove he had access to early coins which he did not in fact have. He had carefully developed two scam-proofs of this. One scam proof was deployed on his blog where he claimed to sign a Sartre text with a key from bitcoin block 9. He carefully did not give the exact input text, only a supposed hash of the text. The hope was anyone trying to replicate would assu…

As someone mostly in the dark about bitcoin and the community around it, why does this matter at all? Why do people care who created it at this stage, and if that person should come forth, what would the impact be? What could such a person realistically do?

Satoshi is believed to control the first million or so Bitcoin that were created, so they would wield quite a lot of power over the Bitcoin market.

Re: I’m Sorry

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Post by dandrick »

pavedwalden wrote: post #173
dandrick wrote: post #168

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As someone mostly in the dark about bitcoin and the community around it, why does this matter at all? Why do people care who created it at this stage, and if that person should come forth, what would the impact be? What could such a person realistically do?

Satoshi is believed to control the first million or so Bitcoin that were created, so they would wield quite a lot of power over the Bitcoin market.

That part I do understand, but this is already the case isn't it? Whether Satoshi comes forward or remains hidden. I wondered if it were more of a worry in the community that Satoshi would, perhaps, attempt to exert some form of central control, which I'm relatively certain is considered a bad thing in that community.

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Post by godgod »

ELI5...why would a person fake all this? Who really cares who's the true inventor of bitcoin. Does it really matter this much to know the original author? What are Craig's motives here? Fame can't be all there is to this story. Are we all being trolled?

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Post by nyolfen »

justsaysmthng wrote: post #143
nyolfen wrote: post #60

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Look at discussions about Wright from earlier this week. He has an established reputation as a scam artist.

Too much noise - all of them opinions and speculation...too many emotions. The fact that Gavin Andersen (and others?) met him and talked to him and then said that he is "the father of Bitcoin"... means that either Wright is a very good con artist, good enough to convince the chief scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, or he is the real deal. I've also watched the interview... if he is a con artist then he is also a ve…

Andersen and Wright have explained the methodology used to 'prove' Wright is Satoshi and it has already been torn apart, here and other places on the net. I recommend you do further reading.

> if he is a con artist then he is also a very good actor too..

these two things very typically go hand-in-hand.

>Compatible with what one would experience if he were holding the private key to billions of $ worth of bitcoin,

the only thing he would need to do is sign a message using the private key from an early block. This is extremely straightforward, widely known and expected, and he instead provided an bizarre and discredited method of proof. This also comes months after he tried to use easily discredited methods to take credit, like backdated blog entries. He's a scam artist.

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Post by roywiggins »

hackuser wrote: post #155
StavrosK wrote: post #88

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> what if he is? The dude is literally being ripped apart left and right by everyone and anyone. Because he's the guy who, when asked for ID to prove he's 21 when entering a bar, shows a piece of paper with "Date of birth: 21 years old" sharpied on it, and when the bouncer says "yeah this isn't actual ID" the guy goes "WOE IS ME! IF I GET THIS TREATMENT AT THE DOOR, IMAGINE WHAT THE ACTUAL BAR WOULD BE LIKE! I DO NOT…

His behavior has no affect on me. Why should I care? Even if your analogy is accurate, that guy at the bar doesn't affect me either. What is dangerous and does affect me, indirectly in this case, is the online mob behavior and bullying. That does real harm to people and to our society. For example, whoever the real Satoshi is, would they ever want to be subjected to this?

Bullying probable conmen is a reasonable way to try and discourage future conmen. Come 'round our town selling snake oil, and you get run out on a rail. It's disproportionate; that's the point. It's a sort of social control.

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Post by roywiggins »

c22 wrote: post #67
noxToken wrote: post #58

I know what cryptocurrency is but I have hardly followed what goes on. I am somewhat familiar with the recent event involving Wright. Could someone tell me, in plain English, if there are any challenges in Wright divulging the information needed to verify that he is Satoshi?

There are only challenges if he doesn't have the key. If he has the key he should trivially be able to sign anything with it or decrypt anything encrypted to it.

The key could be in a vault inside his secret volcano base. If someone just wires him $ to charter a flight, he can retrieve his millions and share it.

I wonder if the scam he has been running is "front me money to build a supercomputer to bruteforce my passworded wallet containing Satoshi's millions." This would be more convincing if he were actually Satoshi and 'lost' the password....

Re: I’m Sorry

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Post by [deleted] »

ordinary wrote: post #171
andy_ppp wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't clear; if you were trying to throw people off the scent of who made Bitcoin by making everyone think it wasn't you this is a pretty successful attempt- I think he's a troll but don't discount the possibility that it's really him :-D

No one thought it was him before he spoke out, and no one believes it is him now. There was no scent to throw people off of.

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Re: I’m Sorry

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Post by andy_ppp »

ordinary wrote: post #171
andy_ppp wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't clear; if you were trying to throw people off the scent of who made Bitcoin by making everyone think it wasn't you this is a pretty successful attempt- I think he's a troll but don't discount the possibility that it's really him :-D

No one thought it was him before he spoke out, and no one believes it is him now. There was no scent to throw people off of.

Well now he's doubly certain no-one is on his tail!
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