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Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by devishard » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:15 PM UTC

sktrdie wrote: post #37

spdustin wrote: post #19

Okay seriously, is anyone contacting the authorities to see if this man is still alive? I do not know who to contact or what his location is. His "blog" post sounds like a suicide note - I've had the misfortune of reading others, and there are telltale signs - and it doesn't appear that anyone is taking steps to see if he's okay. Maybe he is a liar, maybe he's Satoshi, who gives a shit at this point when the jaded co…

I understand this, but there's also the dimension where his actions, whether true or not, are also damaging other people (Gavin's reputation is on the line). We'd all be more worried for him if he wasn't so blatantly causing harm to other people's reputation. Obviously he could suffer from severe mental illness, which combines elements of harming others and self harm, but as a society I think we should worry more abo…

Gavin's reputation is on the line because he is a security researcher, and he was duped by a not-very-convincing crypto scam. It's not a big deal to me; I wouldn't hold it against him much in, say, hiring. But whatever damage done to Gavin was done by his own choices. I'm not going to rush to feel sorry for him, either.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by bduerst » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:15 PM UTC

andrewvc wrote: post #180

crispyambulance wrote: post #155

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Any psychologist will tell you that most people can't objectively evaluate such criteria for themselves. This is something that is best left to professionals who have experience with people that DEFINITELY have such disorders. I'm also in the non-believer camp, nor can I fathom why "Satoshi" would initially choose to remain anonymous but then decide to come out. What purpose does that serve? Whatever the case, all of…

Not to derail too much but this is the reason people are so overdiagnosed these days. All the criteria are vague, even psychiatrists overdiagnose all the time. Even the guy who chaired the DSM-IV thinks so: http://www.amazon.com/Saving-Normal-Out-Control-Medicalizati... Modern psychiatry is 50% science 50% tarot cards if you ask me.

It's pattern recognition, like the other diagnostic fields, but more qualitative due to the human behavior inputs. This leads to larger margins of error, and equating it with tarot reading isn't an apt analogy.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by darren2000 » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:23 PM UTC

danielweber wrote: post #129

Geekette wrote: post #75

Given his history as a prolific liar, I find his post to be utter bullshit. Note how he's still lying about things he was caught at: "When the rumours began, my qualifications and character were attacked. When those allegations were proven false". NO - it was established (with confirmation from the schools in question) that he lied about having a PhD from Charles Stuart U. and he definitely does not possess 8 masters…

First search for narcissist checklist got me https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-lo... If you toss out the ones about romantic relationships, Craig hits on most of them.

You want the Hare PCL-R for psychopathy/sociopathy: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psychopathy_Check...

Interesting that it has now been deleted from wikipedia...

This is also good: http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by bduerst » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:26 PM UTC

statoshi wrote: post #185

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #127

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The most damning: Seven transaction a second. You cannot have a functioning financial system that is constrained to seven transactions per second.

Thankfully the Lightning Network is being developed to support high volumes of off-chain trustless transactions.

Too bad it only works for transactions, not users.

LN is one of the better side-chain ideas to date, but it's still a bunch of I.O.U.s that have the bitcoin bottleneck. With LN, two people can reasonably send hundreds of thousands of transactions to each other, but hundreds of thousands of people cannot reasonably send two transactions.

And then there's centralization, off-network volatility, etc. issues as well. Side-chains are still not a viable fix for the blocksize issue.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by ajonit » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:27 PM UTC

I really wish Satoshi comes out from hiding before he (or the group) is dead (assuming he is not already); otherwise it will forever take #1 position on those listicles sites ("The top 10 mysteries of all time; You really want to know #1")

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by arcticfox » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:35 PM UTC

haakon wrote: post #184

arcticfox wrote: post #163

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It's not that boring at all. How did he smoke and mirror two of the best Bitcoin devs on the planet? At worst, it's an interesting discussion of a con man running into a technical wall.

Matonis is not a Bitcoin developer or a person of much technical merit, if that was one of the two you referred to. Good question about Gavin, though.

Ah - you're correct, he seems to be an economist. I incorrectly assumed someone so intimately involved w/ Bitcoin for so long must be a cryptographer.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by huac » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:40 PM UTC

darren2000 wrote: post #193

danielweber wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First search for narcissist checklist got me https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-lo... If you toss out the ones about romantic relationships, Craig hits on most of them.

You want the Hare PCL-R for psychopathy/sociopathy: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psychopathy_Check... Interesting that it has now been deleted from wikipedia... This is also good: http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath

it was removed for copyright purposes

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by gnaritas » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:44 PM UTC

ebbv wrote: post #113

chjj wrote: post #59

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> is that the real Satoshi has not put out a statement calling this guy out as a fraud And what about the inverse? If he is Satoshi, why didn't he just put out a signed statement saying he is Craig? Satoshi seemed perfectly capable of producing valid signatures (and he could do it without a 25-page blog post). Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt. He couldn't produce a valid signature. He couldn't move old coins.…

Like I said all evidence and logic leads to the conclusion he's a fraud, but it is a bit strange that the real Satoshi has not commented on this when he did on the Dorian Nakamoto stuff.

I think it's pretty well accepted that that wasn't Satoshi either, someone hacked the forum account and posted that.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by mathrawka » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:46 PM UTC

Geekette wrote: post #75

Given his history as a prolific liar, I find his post to be utter bullshit. Note how he's still lying about things he was caught at: "When the rumours began, my qualifications and character were attacked. When those allegations were proven false". NO - it was established (with confirmation from the schools in question) that he lied about having a PhD from Charles Stuart U. and he definitely does not possess 8 masters…

He already made it out of Australia and is "hiding" in the UK.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by tunesmith » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:47 PM UTC

For those of you who haven't had firsthand experience with truly weird habitual liars, this is exactly what it's like... not saying Wright is a liar but he hasn't differentiated himself from it.