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Apple Stole My Music

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Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by hsivonen »

Bartweiss wrote: post #224
falcolas wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another point of data in favor of "they deleted my music" here. And when they did it, they were only matching on the file metadata, so the album they removed was truly lost, since I got some weird techno album in its place. Thankfully, it's one I can recover from a CD, when I find it again.

All ethics of the deletion aside, matching on metadata is a weird, crappy approach (and that itself is pretty consistent with my other experiences with iTunes). It shouldn't be hard to imagine that metadata will have collisions, and include something like a hash of the actual data.

I don't know if it's intentional filling in for songs they couldn't license or metadata matching gone wrong, but occasionally on Spotify a song on an old album is replaced with an inferior remix from a newer album.

Intentionally or not, history (what songs actually were on an album) gets edited unless you manage music files yourself.

(The Apple behavior described in the article is way worse than what Spotify does, of course.)

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Post by atom-morgan »

Splendor wrote: post #366
xigency wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're lucky El Capitan works for you. Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. (And I'm sure it's the same with iPads.) At least on a Macbook you can reinstall the operating system, but an iPhone 4 is stuck like that.

> Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. Is this claim based on anecdotal evidence or some other source?

Anecdotal. But literally everyone I know says this including me.

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Post by taurath »

xigency wrote: post #353
clapinton wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked with a Google engineer once and he offered me advice as I was considering buying a new phone, namely the HTC One: "Phone manufacturers know how to make hardware. Google knows how to make software. When you marry the two with both knowing their place in the world, things work out. When one tries to make what the other does, you get crappy stuff on top of your system. Stick to vanilla Android, man." Having sai…

You're lucky El Capitan works for you. Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. (And I'm sure it's the same with iPads.) At least on a Macbook you can reinstall the operating system, but an iPhone 4 is stuck like that.

My HTC One has gotten dreadfully slower since release from Android releases. I don't think it's exclusive to iPhones - in fact I think android phones are more prone to it.

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Post by abalone »

So, let's be clear about one thing: This is officially NOT how the software is intended to function. According to Apple, original files are never deleted: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204962

I realize the blog post says an Apple rep told them otherwise, but if true, they were wrong.

Also, who says "the software is functioning as intended"? That's not the style of casual speech that Apple support reps are trained to use with real customers.

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Post by [deleted] »

Splendor wrote: post #366
xigency wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're lucky El Capitan works for you. Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. (And I'm sure it's the same with iPads.) At least on a Macbook you can reinstall the operating system, but an iPhone 4 is stuck like that.

> Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. Is this claim based on anecdotal evidence or some other source?

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Post by mcgrath_sh »

pritambaral wrote: post #357
Bartweiss wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first attempt at syncing an old iPod to a new machine saw a similar outcome. Aside from the slow and unsuccessful "auto-transfer" attempt between the devices, iTunes promptly decided to rearrange and relabel everything I had. For a live music fan, that's a disaster. Many thousands of live performances pulled out of their identifying folders because they had similar metadata. A significant number of labelled, sorte…

> One of the perks of smartphones is that I can get music onto my device without even considering iTunes Careful there, the iPhone is also a smartphone, and I do not know of a way of getting music onto it without iTunes.

I have an iPhone and don't use the standard Music app. I use Plex or CloudBeats to access and store music/audiobooks locally on my device. All of this music is stored on my Windows machine that acts as a server. It is accessed via Plex or Dropbox. I have no trouble accessing the files on my MacBook either. However, all of the music/audio is in a folder hierarchy and backed up. I don't touch iTunes.

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Post by Hydraulix989 »

clapinton wrote: post #285
funkyy wrote: post #75

I am surprised at people trying to rationale Apples wrongdoing by pointing at Google and bringing some crazy examples. There is no rationale in this - this is outright breaking your privacy and ownership rights. No terms and conditions can be above law. It doesn't matter what others do - Apple is doing those crazy things here and there trying to test the ground which indicates they are not pro privacy and pro user, b…

Remember the U2 fiasco, when Apple decided to break into your computer and push their new album through iTunes? It seems like whenever Apple decides to take control of your files, shit happens. Back in the day, I tried to use iTunes for a while when I bought my iPod. One of the first things that it asked me was to take control of my music, as it would reorganize it by itself. I agreed, but tested it first with a smal…

I've survived for 20 years now with zero backups (across at least 10 mechanical hard drives, some of them Seagate) and have never lost data.

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Post by mtone »

nurmara wrote: post #143

I sympathize with OP and I generally really hate Apple's direction when it comes to software and user experience ever since OS X Lion. However, OP shouldn't claim that Apple 'stole' his music files. He signed up for a paid service and he should have checked how the service will affect his computer. We as users are responsible to know what software we're running on our machines and what it does to our data. I understa…

Reading a TOS provides no indication of what a software will do, just what it might do. Most of clauses quoted by OP appear in almost every TOS out there. Online documentation provides no assurance of being complete and accurate either. Open source requires the ability to navigate a code repository.

It's a sad state of affairs but as a user, trust and reviews are the main factors available in the decision to run software or not.

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