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Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by jsmthrowaway » Thu, May 05, 2016, 5:45 PM UTC

TillE wrote: post #176

jethro_tell wrote: post #164

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Side note, but I've thought about this and wondered the same thing. Where do you keep 500M? In your house on an offline hard disk that can be stolen? In a safe deposit box? This is a true data backup scenario where too few copies and you're in trouble and too many and you're in trouble. Especially since a copy that was found without your knowledge could ruin things before you knew.

In your head. Or rather, you encrypt all your super secret private data with a good password that you never write down, and copy the encrypted archive everywhere.

And then promptly forget it when restoring from backup in ten years.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by throw7 » Thu, May 05, 2016, 5:49 PM UTC

"There are very credible people besides Gavin and Jon who still think he is Satoshi - people who are privy to other information and whose judgement I respect."

Oh? Pray tell.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by homogeneous » Thu, May 05, 2016, 5:52 PM UTC

elif wrote: post #177

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #127

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The most damning: Seven transaction a second. You cannot have a functioning financial system that is constrained to seven transactions per second.

So when you say that for a "fact" the system is constrained to 7TPS, you are intentionally ignoring most bitcoin transactions, which are off-chain transactions at exchanges. That's not just oversight that's deceit.

Ah, the "off-chain" transaction, AKA "using a traditional centralized database because the blockchain is too slow and expensive".

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by haakon » Thu, May 05, 2016, 5:54 PM UTC

arcticfox wrote: post #163

dpweb wrote: post #46

This whole "controversy" is incredibly boring. The real Satoshi would be able to prove it easily. Prove it, or STFU and we can move on from the who is Satoshi mystery?

It's not that boring at all. How did he smoke and mirror two of the best Bitcoin devs on the planet? At worst, it's an interesting discussion of a con man running into a technical wall.

Matonis is not a Bitcoin developer or a person of much technical merit, if that was one of the two you referred to. Good question about Gavin, though.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by statoshi » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:00 PM UTC

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #127

jbmorgado wrote: post #118

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It's quite telling that you don't want me to speak for other people but just in your answer before projected your irrational feelings about bitcoin on me and on what I feel or don't feel for bitcoin (so that we get straight, I don't "feel" anything for a technology, that doesn't make sense). When I referred the world at large, I referred the world at large that already knows bitcoin, not the world population. And fro…

The most damning: Seven transaction a second. You cannot have a functioning financial system that is constrained to seven transactions per second.

Thankfully the Lightning Network is being developed to support high volumes of off-chain trustless transactions.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by Aelinsaar » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

danielweber wrote: post #129

Geekette wrote: post #75

Given his history as a prolific liar, I find his post to be utter bullshit. Note how he's still lying about things he was caught at: "When the rumours began, my qualifications and character were attacked. When those allegations were proven false". NO - it was established (with confirmation from the schools in question) that he lied about having a PhD from Charles Stuart U. and he definitely does not possess 8 masters…

First search for narcissist checklist got me https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-lo... If you toss out the ones about romantic relationships, Craig hits on most of them.

Could be, but this level of public self-destruction might be sociopathic/anti-social.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by homogeneous » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

snitko wrote: post #131

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #127

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The most damning: Seven transaction a second. You cannot have a functioning financial system that is constrained to seven transactions per second.

I think you misunderstand the purpose of Bitcoin. It's not meant to be a payment system, but rather a settlement layer.

> you misunderstand the purpose of Bitcoin

That's quite a confidently presumptuous tone for an opinion that is clearly controversial at best.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/49c7ij/so_consens_...

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by Aelinsaar » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:02 PM UTC

crispyambulance wrote: post #155

nacs wrote: post #141

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I'm in the Wright is a liar/con-artist camp but the items on that list apply to most "normal" people (including myself).

Any psychologist will tell you that most people can't objectively evaluate such criteria for themselves. This is something that is best left to professionals who have experience with people that DEFINITELY have such disorders. I'm also in the non-believer camp, nor can I fathom why "Satoshi" would initially choose to remain anonymous but then decide to come out. What purpose does that serve? Whatever the case, all of…

It's also a matter of needing access to someone's patient history, legal history, family history, etc. A snapshot of someone at one point in time (unless they're torturing someone to death for kicks, or something else really obvious) rarely gives the information needed for an axis II diagnosis.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by Aelinsaar » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:03 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #153

nacs wrote: post #141

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I'm in the Wright is a liar/con-artist camp but the items on that list apply to most "normal" people (including myself).

There appears to be significant overlap with the narcissist checklist and a "revered tech leader checklist" (Jobs, Musk, Page, Zuckerberg, etc).

Steve Jobs in his relationships with friends and family, and his own self-destructive (ultimately fatally destructive) streak screams full blown sociopath and always has. Then again, he might just have been a really shitty person without a personality disorder to explain it.

Re: Bitcoin 'creator' backs out of Satoshi coin move 'proof'

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Post by Aelinsaar » Thu, May 05, 2016, 6:05 PM UTC

vertex-four wrote: post #170

tyingq wrote: post #153

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There appears to be significant overlap with the narcissist checklist and a "revered tech leader checklist" (Jobs, Musk, Page, Zuckerberg, etc).

So narcissists (as in people with NPD), if you've never had the unfortunate "opportunity" of being around one, are often incredibly good at convincing people to follow them. Take from that what you will.

People are attracted to self confidence, because most of the time people who are openly confident (down to the minutiae of body language) are in a position to be confident. The ability to simply be insensitive to the normal stresses and worries that would inspire rational doubt can put you in a position to lead.

Of course, you'll be leading with coin flips, and most people will fail. We just pay special attention to statistical flukes who make a lot of money before they flip out.