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Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by lake99 »

wolfgke wrote: post #15
copperx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does using Tor puts you on some kind of list? It would be tragic if someone used Tor to read a scientific article but then got charged with aiding terrorism or looking for child pornography.

> Does using Tor puts you on some kind of list? It would be tragic if someone used Tor to read a scientific article but then got charged with aiding terrorism or looking for child pornography. If it does, it becomes an ethical maxim to use Tor. If it doesn't, then you can simply use Tor. So by case analysis you should use Tor.

> If it does, it becomes an ethical maxim to use Tor.

This is one of the reasons I use Tor. If there is such a list, I want it to be full of people doing ordinary stuff. In effect, I want the list to be useless.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by gipsies »

raphman wrote: post #12
rainforest wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Should publisher's work be free? I think not. What value does the publisher's work add to the work the author generated?

> What value does the publisher's work add to the work the author generated? - organizing peer review - spell-checking and fixing layout problems - making sure that the paper stays available for a long time - handling complaints and retracting fraudulent papers - providing a single point of contact for people who would like to reuse published material (e.g., using illustrations in a textbook). Sure, many publishers d…

- At least in computer science, it's generally professors who organise the peer review (the Program Commitee)

- I've heard from several collegues that the editor introduced spelling mistakes. Sure, overall they might get some errors out, but a spellcheck is not needed.

- Well yes. But there is no need for that to be expensive.

- Do we need them for this? If there really is fraud, previous cases show it's their university that starts an investigation. I'm not sure if the effect of retracting a paper is that significant..

- If all papers were public in the first place, there is no need to contact someone if it's okay to reuse material.

Anyway publishers might provide some value, but not enough to demand we pay for every single paper, or pay costly subscriptions. They need to die already or adept.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by tmptmp »

jfaucett wrote: post #4

"As a result of the legal battle the site (sci-hub.io) just lost one of its latest domain names. However, the site has no intentions of backing down, and will continue its fight to keep access to scientific knowledge free and open." Does this not enrage people? Elsevier and closed-access journals like them, are doing all they can to impede human progress while leaching off of tax-payer dollars to do so. Something sho…

>>Does this not enrage people? Elsevier and closed-access journals like them, are doing all they can to impede human progress while leaching off of tax-payer dollars to do so. Something should be done to make what Elsevier and the like do illegal, are there any groups/political parties/etc going after them?

This does enrage many people, but one feels somewhat helpless here. But we can surely raise a hue and cry over the internet/emails/whatsapp/social media etc. Let more and more of the scientific community know about the existence of sci-hub and let these scum publishers bleed to death. Political parties may not want to disturb their money-givers though.

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Post by refurb »

tmptmp wrote: post #18
atemerev wrote: post #5

While I support open science and Sci-Hub is great, I also can see publisher's side. Imagine the same site with pirated high quality scientific books. (There are some, but in darker corners of the Internet). Would open access to these books be advantageous for humanity? Most definitely. Will publishers get mad about it? Even more definitely. Should publisher's work be free? I think not. However, you can't get both sid…

>>Should publisher's work be free? I think not. What exact work these publishers are doing? How much are they demanding for that? Who is funding the research? Who is doing the work? These publishers are just mean middlemen who are trying to extract as much money as they can/want from both the authors and the readers. Now is the time to get rid of them.

What exact work these publishers are doing?

Typesetting, third party review, offering visibility in a high quality journal?

The point is nothing is stopping scientists from publishing in other, open source journals. But they don't. That means these journals offer something of value to them.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by chinathrow »

I would love to learn more why Elsevier _only_ reports a profit of 37%?

I've read here on HN and elsewhere multiple times, that most of the work done is outsourced to third party labor, which is done essentially for free:

- writing papers

- organising reviews

- reviewing papers

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by finnn »

zo1 wrote: post #10

Is there a donate location of sorts that we can pay into to support the efforts that the sci-hub person/team/organization is doing? This is a another good cause that I would find worthy to donate to. Edit. Ok, found it: http://www.sci-hub.cc/donate Apparently, only bitcoin donations are possible at the moment. BitCoint Wallet for donations: 1K4t2vSBSS2xFjZ6PofYnbgZewjeqbG1TM

I see a different Bitcoin address. I recommend people visit the site and not use the address random commenters on the internet post. Not saying the parent comment is up to something, sci-hub may have rotated the address for whatever reason. The one I see starts with 14ghuGKD

EDIT: Ah, interestingly, the 1K4t2v address appears on the scihub.cc homepage, but not the donate page that was linked

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by leni536 »

(Thanks for daveguy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11593881)

https://31.184.194.81/ (sci-hub.io cert)

https://sci-hub.cc (same ip as above, sci-hub.io cert)

https://sci-hub.ac (same ip as above, sci-hub.io cert)

https://sci-hub.bz (uses a separate certificate and ip address -- 104.28.20.155)

And a tor site: scihub22266oqcxt.onion

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by Fuxy »

finnn wrote: post #27
zo1 wrote: post #10

Is there a donate location of sorts that we can pay into to support the efforts that the sci-hub person/team/organization is doing? This is a another good cause that I would find worthy to donate to. Edit. Ok, found it: http://www.sci-hub.cc/donate Apparently, only bitcoin donations are possible at the moment. BitCoint Wallet for donations: 1K4t2vSBSS2xFjZ6PofYnbgZewjeqbG1TM

I see a different Bitcoin address. I recommend people visit the site and not use the address random commenters on the internet post. Not saying the parent comment is up to something, sci-hub may have rotated the address for whatever reason. The one I see starts with 14ghuGKD EDIT: Ah, interestingly, the 1K4t2v address appears on the scihub.cc homepage, but not the donate page that was linked

Accessing the ip posted in the article it shows the bitcoin address posted by the OP.

I even switch over to https to make sure the request is not modified.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by Fuxy »

leni536 wrote: post #28

(Thanks for daveguy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11593881 ) https://31.184.194.81/ (sci-hub.io cert) https://sci-hub.cc (same ip as above, sci-hub.io cert) https://sci-hub.ac (same ip as above, sci-hub.io cert) https://sci-hub.bz (uses a separate certificate and ip address -- 104.28.20.155) And a tor site: scihub22266oqcxt.onion

Anybody know a linux script/software that would 'lock' a domain down to am IP regardless what the registrar does.

Maybe have even a out of band way of updating it without the registrars involvement.

I guess what I'm looking for would be P2P DNS server although making sure the data is not fake would be difficult without some kind of signing.

Wonder if it could use the bitcoin ledger as a kind of key server?

Edit: I know /etc/hosts does the job it's just lacking if the server changes IP

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