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We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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It's funny. I'm seeing this, while I'm thinking about dropping out of this career. I don't want to be one of those girl dropout stats, but lately I'm feeling a desire to start a family. fwiw I just passed 32 and I don't know if I want to do programming/software engineering jobs anymore. I'm hoping its just a phase.

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Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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It's funny. I'm seeing this, while I'm thinking about dropping out of this career. I don't want to be one of those girl dropout stats, but lately I'm feeling a desire to start a family. fwiw I just passed 32 and I don't know if I want to do programming/software engineering jobs anymore. I'm hoping its just a phase.

33 y.o. Dad of 3, and a far better engineer since having kids. Since becoming a Dad, I learnt the value of time, I learnt how to get stuff finished when I have a chance to, I learnt empathy and tolerance, I learnt to look at the big picture. I forgot about many of the frustrations and angst that I felt before I had kids. I simply don't have time to worry about my own feelings much, but at the same time I learnt to look after myself much more efficiently, because I have to, because 3 kids and a wife depend on me. I've never been happier at work, because I have a family.

Definitely start a family, but also think about keeping your career too in what ever form suits you.

Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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I was surprised to see no mention of game development as what drew one into coding. Half the cats I've worked with got bit by the programming bug initially wanting to make games.

Game Maker is what got me started after MSIE 5 let me down - only like ten years later I discovered MSIE did in fact have an error console to show you what you did wrong, making it not completely trial and error!

So did creating games pull me into programming? Hmm, kind of, after another avenue failed. But I certainly recognize what you mean, I also know many people who'd love to make games full time (and some do! Just not all, not enough demand).

Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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> Most of them are already applying for developer jobs, or will start applying within the next year. I think the possible answers for this question bias towards that conclusion. Out of the five options, four refer to a time frame between now and a year from now. Also, for the "Which learning resources have you found helpful?" I'm surprised that the official documentation for the language one is learning and "random t…

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Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*HsD7w8Y1rQL9... Looks like my job is secure, then

Wow. I've had what has felt to me like a varied and interesting career across the nearly-25 years I've been writing code for money, but with one small exception everything I've ever been paid for fits within this survey's "other" category. That's... an odd feeling.

Companies will eventually learn they'll need to accept Ruby/JS/Python in their stack to get this new swathe of cheap labor, and you'll see these devs slowly transition towards enterprise.

Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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I know code camps are usually web focused, but I'm really surprised about the lack of any lower level, desktop, or non web back end options for "which roll are you most interested in". Coming from a CS background I was also surprised that more people were interested in front end web development than back end web development, because most of the people I interact with hate front end web development with a passion.

I have been teaching myself programming and feel front end is really the only way in without formal schooling or extensive self study. "Full stack" was the most popular in the survery and I feel most code camps teach "full stack light"; enough to put up a site using RoR or Node back end/JS front end framework.

I would love to get a job doing backend development and have worked through some CS moocs and I just feel like there are so many things I don't sufficiently understand to even be considered for a backend position. I could probably handle a "full stack light" position, but get overwhelmed when I try to really understand everything going on instead of just accepting "use this gem".

Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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On a tangential note. I've spoken to a few hiring managers who have expressed disappointment with some of the hires that they have made straight out of bootcamps (w/o prior CS knowledge or fundamentals). Specifically, the bootcamp graduate are smart, motivated, and know their specific toolsets well. However, they tend to struggle a bit if you place them outside their comfort zone. Is this a sentiment that others have…

This is something that has made me hold back from applying for development positions. I like to really understand the how and why of things (and feel like that is what expected of a developer), which is why I started learning CS concepts after being frustrated following tutorials/books that just asked you to follow the specific steps for the framework.

I have done Harvard CS50 and am working through Berkeley cs61a (with the goal to then do 61b/c), the Stanford database class and reviewing maths on Khan academy. I'll likely apply for a front-end position first even though I enjoy back-end more because I don't feel like I am at the level that is expected of a back-end or fullstack developer.

Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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post #23

It's funny. I'm seeing this, while I'm thinking about dropping out of this career. I don't want to be one of those girl dropout stats, but lately I'm feeling a desire to start a family. fwiw I just passed 32 and I don't know if I want to do programming/software engineering jobs anymore. I'm hoping its just a phase.

33 y.o. Dad of 3, and a far better engineer since having kids. Since becoming a Dad, I learnt the value of time, I learnt how to get stuff finished when I have a chance to, I learnt empathy and tolerance, I learnt to look at the big picture. I forgot about many of the frustrations and angst that I felt before I had kids. I simply don't have time to worry about my own feelings much, but at the same time I learnt to lo…

Since having kids, I've become better at dealing with managers. ;-)

Re: We asked 15,000 people how they're learning to program

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post #23

It's funny. I'm seeing this, while I'm thinking about dropping out of this career. I don't want to be one of those girl dropout stats, but lately I'm feeling a desire to start a family. fwiw I just passed 32 and I don't know if I want to do programming/software engineering jobs anymore. I'm hoping its just a phase.

33 y.o. Dad of 3, and a far better engineer since having kids. Since becoming a Dad, I learnt the value of time, I learnt how to get stuff finished when I have a chance to, I learnt empathy and tolerance, I learnt to look at the big picture. I forgot about many of the frustrations and angst that I felt before I had kids. I simply don't have time to worry about my own feelings much, but at the same time I learnt to lo…

Exactly -- you grow in many ways. I'm a father of two with one more on the way and I've often wondered what I might have achieved if I had the efficiency and discipline I do now before kids when I had more time... Yet somehow I'm now achieving more with less time.
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