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Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by lomnakkus »

f2f wrote: post #125
codemac wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying things were uniform when your entire interface is "bytes to and from a file descriptor" is just editing the past to me. For most of these p9fs interactions, each one had a different format / API that you had to know in advance before reading or writing to the file. This meant many things just had custom ascii, others were binary. Some pushed elements into different file locations, some piled them all into a bl…

you're being deliberately obtuse. the uniformity in plan9 didn't mean everything spoke the same protocol, but that every resource could be shared everywhere. you wouldn't want your tv tuner card to talk ascii, but with 9p and a plan9 kernel you could access any tv tuner on the office network as if it was connected to your own machine. indeed on any other network that gave you could login to. that is the part that's s…

> you're being deliberately obtuse.

To me it sounds like codemac is being entirely sensible and pragmatic about what the limitations are. Pervasive "piping of bytes" is all well and good, but if you don't understand what the bytes mean, it doesn't really matter.

> you wouldn't want your tv tuner card to talk ascii, but with 9p and a plan9 kernel you could access any tv tuner on the office network as if it was connected to your own machine

Office network? Sure. Not try it over a WAN and suddenly it doesn't look so hot.

The thing is that once you're going over the network you really need to start thinking about the effects of latency and how to compensate for it or hide it. Network transparency is a foe in this (very common) scenario.

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by erdojo »

koluft wrote: post #97
criley2 wrote: post #93

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>I think the parent comment meant that Infinite is a word, and also a sensible name for Dropbox to name their product. Dropboxe is a silly neologism that only makes sense in the context of Dropbox's recent press, and not a good name for a product outside of this context. * Infinit is not releasing a product, this is a satirical post which "rebrands" their base service under a faux name. * Dropbox is releasing a servi…

Such are the risks of naming your company after a common word that describes the product.

The USPTO may have a differing opinion.

Just because a word is a common dictionary word doesn't mean it can't be trademarked with limited use. For example, you can't launch a new computer and name it Apples. However you can launch a new type of lipstick called Apples (assuming it's not trademarked in that context already).

If the original trademark owner can show that there's the potential for confusion among consumers, that the products are competitive, Infinit may very well prevail. Dropbox's lawyers didn't do a great job at due diligence here.

I like how Infinit responded.

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by erdojo »

Grue3 wrote: post #38
zymhan wrote: post #32

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You didn't read the post, did you? > Sorry Dropbox, we couldn't resist. It's quite an honor that you decided to use our name for something we've been building with our peer to peer file system over the last few years.

It's pretty unreasonable of them to assume Dropbox even heard of their company or what they were building, when using an extremely common dictionary word.

A company of Dropbox's size most certainly has a legal department that does, among other things, trademark and patent searches for upcoming products.

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by f2f »

codemac wrote: post #130
f2f wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're being deliberately obtuse. the uniformity in plan9 didn't mean everything spoke the same protocol, but that every resource could be shared everywhere. you wouldn't want your tv tuner card to talk ascii, but with 9p and a plan9 kernel you could access any tv tuner on the office network as if it was connected to your own machine. indeed on any other network that gave you could login to. that is the part that's s…

If I can get the damned TV onto the network at all, then I can use 9fs or any other protocol including http. plan9 did not invent the network, or even the concept of shared resources. They focused on putting all resources into a filesystem API, entirely and exclusively. That's their innovation. I'm not being obtuse by pointing it out.

i'm not entirely sure about your timeline. plan9 came about in 1990. plenty of "sharing" back then was the unique property of distributed systems like amoeba.

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by urza »

cadeuh wrote: post #14
mtrn wrote: post #12

Never heard of infinit.sh, but it looks great. The repo is almost empty, though ( https://github.com/infinit/infinit ). Is the code completely open source? Could I setup infinit.sh inside my own infrastructure?

We're open sourcing parts of our code as soon as we consider it modular and well documented enough. We started with our build system but the plan is to open source everything over the coming weeks! And yes, that's exactly why it was made for. Have a look at our examples of deployments: https://infinit.sh/documentation/deployments

Hi, that is great. I've never heard of you before, so I am still trying to wrap my head around it, could you please help me understand it, I have some questions.

If I have two servers, each with ZFS filesystem, could I use infinit.sh to connect them, create shared "disk" and expose it to clients on Mac/Win/Mobile so they can access the files? Will the ZFS advantages be maintained? E.g. if I set the Z2 raid on one server and mirror on another? Could I do snapshots on the server and later browse them? Will the ZFS data integrity prevent data corruption? Thanks.

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by ccrone »

virtualritz wrote: post #115
cadeuh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're open sourcing parts of our code as soon as we consider it modular and well documented enough. We started with our build system but the plan is to open source everything over the coming weeks! And yes, that's exactly why it was made for. Have a look at our examples of deployments: https://infinit.sh/documentation/deployments

That sounds like I will be able to deploy infinit.sh on my NAS (QNAP 469), running some ARM Linux flavor?

We don't build the FS for ARM just yet but since we use a lot of the same code we did for our file transfer application that runs on Android and iOS, it shouldn't be too difficult to do.

Feel free to add and upvote what you'd like to see: http://infinit-sh.uservoice.com

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by ccrone »

fizzbatter wrote: post #112

This is really, really cool. Anyone know where they prefer to post issues/requests? Looks like Github is mostly dead[1], but there is a uservoice[2]. I'm debating replacing Camlistore with this - i prefer Camlistore, but this appears to have better tooling, and easier for me to peer with nontech people [1]: https://github.com/infinit/infinit/issues [2]: https://infinit-sh.uservoice.com

We're still working to open source the code and put in place the infrastructure to manage a community. I'd encourage you to chat with us on IRC (freenode #infinit) or on Slack (see bottom of our homepage https://infinit.sh)

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by dhimes »

zymhan wrote: post #118
maaku wrote: post #113

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How is it fair use to use your competition's trademarks in branding your own projects? If that's the case, I've got a Googl search engine I'd like to sell you.

It's not actually a product guys, it's just a spoof on Dropbox's blog post. They pretty much copypasta'd the whole thing and just replaced "infinite" with "dropboxe".

I got the part about spoofing the post. I didn't realize that they weren't actually releasing a product. I thought they were seriously pissed and putting it in Dropbox's face by stealing their language.

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by knorker »

koluft wrote: post #96
knorker wrote: post #71

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"Everything that was on my machine was uniform because I wrote it from scratch to work the way my brain works" Yeah… that doesn't scale, no matter who you are, mr "I refuse employment unless my employer gives me 'r' as login name".

You seem so angry for such a bizarre reason.

Irrationality and denying reality annoys me.

Re: Infinit announces Project Dropboxe

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Post by knorker »

coldtea wrote: post #107
knorker wrote: post #71

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"Everything that was on my machine was uniform because I wrote it from scratch to work the way my brain works" Yeah… that doesn't scale, no matter who you are, mr "I refuse employment unless my employer gives me 'r' as login name".

> mr "I refuse employment unless my employer gives me 'r' as login name". And what's that to you?

Another sign that he lives in his own arrogant world. A separate arrogant world that affects other people.
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