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Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by asquabventured »

sz4kerto wrote: post #3

Oh no. It pops up a quick menu when I select text, like Medium. The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading. :( Edit: Also, it's extremely narrow. On my 32" 4K display, 70% of the screen is empty. And the font is too think. And stuff keeps moving/jumping when I'm moving the mouse cursor. I want 1998 back.

> Oh no. It pops up a quick menu when I select text, like Medium. The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading. :(

I do the same thing when reading text and HATE websites that do this, the solution I've found is to just use uBlock Origin to block annoying web elements like this. You can do the same, just add the following filters:

docs.microsoft.com##body > .lf:nth-of-type(7) > .lf-active.lf-selection-popover.lf-popover > .lf-popover-content.lf-thread-content

docs.microsoft.com##body > .lf:nth-of-type(7) > .lf-active.lf-selection-popover.lf-popover > .lf-popover-arrow

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by oblio »

pjmlp wrote: post #81
nailer wrote: post #73

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redhat.com/docs and (back when Sun was a thing) docs.sun.com were great.

Where is the Red Hat documentation about the programming languages, respective libraries and IDEs delivered in a Red Hat ISO? This one looks very poor versus MSDN content. https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterp...

I'm pretty sure they rely on the respective upstreams to provide those.

Red Hat's OS docs are very good. I'm not sure it's their job to document what you're asking for.

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by RubyPinch »

asquabventured wrote: post #111
sz4kerto wrote: post #3

Oh no. It pops up a quick menu when I select text, like Medium. The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading. :( Edit: Also, it's extremely narrow. On my 32" 4K display, 70% of the screen is empty. And the font is too think. And stuff keeps moving/jumping when I'm moving the mouse cursor. I want 1998 back.

> Oh no. It pops up a quick menu when I select text, like Medium. The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading. :( I do the same thing when reading text and HATE websites that do this, the solution I've found is to just use uBlock Origin to block annoying web elements like this. You can do the same, just add the following filters: docs.microsoft.com##body > .lf:nth-of-type(7) > .lf-active.lf-sel…

or just docs.microsoft.com#.lf-selection-popover

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by jordanlev »

tgb wrote: post #83
pandler wrote: post #8

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> The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one! I compulsively select random blocks of text: select up, select down, repeat. I definitely get annoyed with the popup-menu-on-select feature of Medium, but I feel I can hardly blame Medium for my random, compulsive habit.

So what do you guys think of HN? I get frustrated by how if I drag the selection down on HN comments, the selection will "hop" up at certain points. It's very aesthetically unpleasing, but I just need to click and drag select whatever I'm reading.

fwiw, I believe this is due to HN's archaic table-based html layout, as opposed to some javascript code like on medium and this new ms docs site.

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by cm3 »

jimjimjim wrote: post #21
cm3 wrote: post #4

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If it were 100% wide on 4K, how would your eyes scan the text? It's useful for illustrations (graphics), but I haven't met a person yet who can read wide text as efficiently as one or more narrow columns.

I've given up completely on landscape for monitors. I've rotated my two monitors to portrait. It works for websites, but it's also ideal for programming (no more looking through a letter box at the code), reading documentation and pdf pages.

What type of panels and implementations (monitors sold) work well in portrait mode? I've tried it once and I saw an odd pattern that wasn't very comfortable to look at.

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by ygra »

cm3 wrote: post #115
jimjimjim wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've given up completely on landscape for monitors. I've rotated my two monitors to portrait. It works for websites, but it's also ideal for programming (no more looking through a letter box at the code), reading documentation and pdf pages.

What type of panels and implementations (monitors sold) work well in portrait mode? I've tried it once and I saw an odd pattern that wasn't very comfortable to look at.

TN panels are usually horrible, as they have (in landscape mode) a very limited viewing angle up or down before colours start to shift or parts of the screen appear way darker than others.

IPS panels should work without a problem in both landscape and portrait mode.

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by jakub_g »

pandler wrote: post #8
sz4kerto wrote: post #3

Oh no. It pops up a quick menu when I select text, like Medium. The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading. :( Edit: Also, it's extremely narrow. On my 32" 4K display, 70% of the screen is empty. And the font is too think. And stuff keeps moving/jumping when I'm moving the mouse cursor. I want 1998 back.

> The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one! I compulsively select random blocks of text: select up, select down, repeat. I definitely get annoyed with the popup-menu-on-select feature of Medium, but I feel I can hardly blame Medium for my random, compulsive habit.

Not only Medium, there are lots of websites like this. BTW It seems there's lots of us compulsive clickers here on HN :)

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by pjmlp »

oblio wrote: post #112
pjmlp wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is the Red Hat documentation about the programming languages, respective libraries and IDEs delivered in a Red Hat ISO? This one looks very poor versus MSDN content. https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterp...

I'm pretty sure they rely on the respective upstreams to provide those. Red Hat's OS docs are very good. I'm not sure it's their job to document what you're asking for.

If we are comparing them to MSDN quality, it is.

MSDN documents everything that Microsoft delivers to Windows developers, OS, programming languages, frameworks, IDEs, system administration,knowledge base, magazines and books.

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by nailer »

nacs wrote: post #94
nailer wrote: post #70

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> On my 32" 4K display, 70% of the screen is empty. Totally agreed on your other points (particularly about animations on selection) but as the article mentions, eye tracking repeatedly shows people have trouble reading very wide text. Also many people use large monitors to have multiple windows, rather than a single window maximised.

> eye tracking repeatedly shows people have trouble reading very wide text Yes but to optimize for larger screens, the correct thing to do is to scale everything up (fonts, spacing, etc) in a responsive manner. The amount of text content per line wouldn't change much, it would just fill up the screen better instead of using the same tiny font size you'd use for a 13inch screen @ 1080p on a 32" 4K display.

I happily browse the Web at 125% on a 27inch monitor because I like pages to be large, but if pages made double width windows have double size content it would be like sitting directly in front of a TV.

Re: Introducing docs.microsoft.com

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Post by qjighap »

I am wondering how google (mentioned as an offset to bing) is going to handle the availability tweeking and facebooking feature. It will be interesting to see if my searches now reference some persons personal collection of data and take me away from page source. Search engines are all about recent/modified content and might go to the less official/slightly modified sources. The search engine communities are full of intelligent people, but I still can't get the same 5 pages from stack overflow showing up when I have a problem, no matter how I change the search terms. I usually end up going to the site and then going to the reference link in the answer.
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