WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

Post by c22 » Tue, May 03, 2016, 4:17 AM UTC

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> First, WhatsApp is a US company and has no presence in Brazil. Under many readings of US law (specifically, ECPA), US companies are in fact prohibited from complying with requests from foreign law enforcement for content, except in emergencies. Instead, foreign law enforcement must make a request for assistance to the US DoJ, which will then (eventually, and maybe) process it and serve it on the US company. This is…

>In fact, it's kind of insensitive for foreigners to suggest that a judge of a sovereign nation must consider US law in his rulings. It's just as insensitive for a judge of a foreign nation to suggest that all foreigners must consider his rulings when making decisions under their own sovereign laws.

Post by Retra » Tue, May 03, 2016, 4:17 AM UTC

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> If your position is unpopular with your friends, then it's because you think the law is more important than the entire society it's supposed to protect. Totally agree. This is unfortunately a very authoritarian world of view that is not uncommon.

This has mothing to do with authoritarianism. Upholding the law itself is important. If everybody ignores the law all the time you'll have a pretty shitty society. The Brazilian people have a clear option, vote for officials who have no problem with communication encryption. The solution is not to circumvent the parliamentary democratic process.

Post by alias240 » Tue, May 03, 2016, 4:21 AM UTC

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Oh ffs, here we go again. Yes, the signal protocol and signal's implementation are both open source, but you have no way to actually verify that WA has actually implemented the protocol correctly and securely. Sure you could do some basic packet analysis but this wouldn't tell you about the presence of any remotely triggered backdoors. The only way for you as a user to actually verify the security is by reading the s…

There are many ways that both WA and Telegram can be subverted/backdoored/messed up. What it really comes down to, is who do you trust? Do you trust WA or Telegram? Personally, I trust WA a lot more than Telegram since WA has Moxie on their team and Telegram says, "Trust us" and a very unreasonable security challenge. I naturally don't trust people that say "Trust us" and put up unreasonable security challenges.

Post by rbanffy » Tue, May 03, 2016, 4:28 AM UTC

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They dont have to fly anyone down to brazil. They had someone there. He was arrested a few months go for not fulfilling the request. Its all in the article we are commenting on.

Terrifyingly Brazil is probably on the no-go list for lots of Apple employees right now, like how the Middle East is in general for LGBT people.

Post by necessity » Tue, May 03, 2016, 4:38 AM UTC

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No, it's not a political limbo. It got voted in the congress just as the law requires and is awaiting the voting in the senate just as the law requires it. The president of the STF presides the hearing on the senate where testimonies are gathered, and the STF votes for the impeachment. It's not "a coup" just because it hasn't reached that state yet. Stop spreading misinformation.

You are the one not well informed. The STF allowed the process to continue because it doesn't want to interfere with the prerogatives of the congress. But in the STF hearing of 4/14, they decided that the accusations need to be analyzed by the judges for the process to be valid. This means that the supreme court can stop this process to decide on the criminal charges that have been made against president Rousseff whe…