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Catching a Flight? Budget Hours, Not Minutes, for Security

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Re: Catching a Flight? Budget Hours, Not Minutes, for Security

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Post by toothbrush »

baby wrote: post #456
CaptainZapp wrote: post #24

This, in combination with American airports being completely ignorant to the transit concept must cost American airline companies dozens, if not hundreds of millions a year in lost revenues. Case in point: if I want to to fly from Zurich to Lima I have essentially two choices: I can connect either in Amsterdam, or in Madrid. Madrids legal connection time is 55 minutes max (on Iberia). In AMS on KLM it's a maximum of…

Do people get their flight refunded if they miss it by waiting 3 hours in security lines?

I don't know about refunded, but i did in fact get rebooked (free of charge) onto a later connecting flight after exactly that happened to me. I don't know if that's something you can count on, though -- especially if it's the first flight and not a connection you miss...

Re: Catching a Flight? Budget Hours, Not Minutes, for Security

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Post by themartorana »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #328
CrazyCatDog wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Revoking citizenship is a costly exercise. It was previously subsidized by all tax-payers, now it isn't. Not that it matters to the price/cost of doing it, but what do you think are the most common reasons for forfeiting US citizenship? I suspect it's tax-evasion.

> what do you think are the most common reasons for forfeiting US citizenship? I suspect it's tax-evasion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidental_American

Despite their lack of personal or business ties to the United States, accidental Americans have the same U.S. tax filing and payment obligations...

There's a business model! Claim someone is a citizen, boom they owe taxes!

Re: Catching a Flight? Budget Hours, Not Minutes, for Security

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WildUtah wrote: post #362
JimboOmega wrote: post #260

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Narita is the main airport for international flights to Tokyo. It's a bit of a hike to Tokyo proper, but there's a dedicated train. Anyway, I would imagine there are a lot of travelers (business, in particular) sensitive to time but not so much to price, for whom a direct flight is worth a few hundred $ - there was a solid market for the concord, remember. Anyway saving the connection, and a "normal" customs/security…

Tokyo International Airport at Haneda is the main airport for international flights to Tokyo -- at least for Japanese carriers. Foreign carriers are exiled to Narita -- a US$200 cab ride away -- as a protectionist measure. Haneda is right next to downtown Tokyo. --- The price difference persists for connecting flights from airports outside MEX and to destination airports outside NRT and Shanghai so it isn't based on…

This is not true. A simple search shows AirAsia, Singapore Air, China Eastern, Vietnam Air, all flying out of Haneda.

https://www.google.com/flights/?hl=en_GB#search;f=HND;t=SIN;...

Switch destination to LAX I see Delta and Korean Air flying out of Haneda as well

Re: Catching a Flight? Budget Hours, Not Minutes, for Security

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aninhumer wrote: post #439
WildUtah wrote: post #362

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Tokyo International Airport at Haneda is the main airport for international flights to Tokyo -- at least for Japanese carriers. Foreign carriers are exiled to Narita -- a US$200 cab ride away -- as a protectionist measure. Haneda is right next to downtown Tokyo. --- The price difference persists for connecting flights from airports outside MEX and to destination airports outside NRT and Shanghai so it isn't based on…

>a US$200 cab ride away It seems a little disingenuous to quote the taxi price when there are numerous train services available, of which the fastest still only costs ~$25. I'm not disputing your wider point, but it's not helped by throwing in misleading facts like that.

I meant to point out how far away it is, not to imply that taxis are a good choice. They are not. Tokyo and its surrounding countryside towns even as far away as Narita have the world's best train system and you should always prefer it.

So I strongly endorse your advice to any travellers reading.

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Post by themartorana »

2a0c40 wrote: post #313
CrazyCatDog wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Revoking citizenship is a costly exercise. It was previously subsidized by all tax-payers, now it isn't. Not that it matters to the price/cost of doing it, but what do you think are the most common reasons for forfeiting US citizenship? I suspect it's tax-evasion.

Please read this: http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2011/12/14/about-the-isaac-brock...

That's fucked up.

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Post by ghettoimp »

astrodust wrote: post #376
superuser2 wrote: post #304

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They are basically useless, but we still have to go through them to get to our flights. The fewer staff they have, the slower it goes. A sufficiently resourced-starved TSA might "succeed" at preventing attacks on passenger air travel by eliminating passenger air travel altogether. Once lines approach 4, 5 hours people will just drive.

Travelling by train is so ridiculously refreshing. Grab ticket online or at kiosk. Walk on train. Sit down. There's nothing even close in the air travel world. Even Nexus people have to endure the occasional cavity search.

I'd love to take a train, except that to go from Austin to Omaha I have to go through... Chicago??? (Seriously)

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Post by yompers888 »

baby wrote: post #458
barbs wrote: post #453

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> Here's an idea: boo people who are in the "TSA pre" lines. What does that solve?

people will top giving their money to the TSA.

*People will be glad they spent money to more quickly pass the weird people booing from the normal line.

Doesn't TSA pre cost $80 for 5 years? That's gotta be worth it if you fly even once per year.

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Post by themartorana »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #454
chillwaves wrote: post #421

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Ah yes, the thrifty conservatives that led us into the multi trillion dollar boondoggle of the Iraq War.

Admittedly, it may not have been clear, but I was referring to social issues. I don't consider the TSA a security issue. That's a work program wrapped up in propaganda.

If we have to spend money on a work program - and whether I'm for or against that in principal is not relevant here - could it be on something less dehumanizing for everyone paying for it, and less absurdly power-trip-y for the benefactors?

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Post by yompers888 »

jasonjei wrote: post #341

SFO is one of the better TSA operations. The employees of the TSA presence aren't directly employees of DHS; they are employed by a contractor of the TSA. I've found them to be professional and efficient (granted that I have Global Entry). In fact, one of the guards let me keep my Chinese papaya soup with liquid (the papaya cavity was filled with a Chinese birds nest soup). She simply told me that technically she sho…

Last time I flew (SFO), it took me 25 minutes to get from my car at the South SF Bart station to beyond security. I still hate the TSA, but I've never had the delays that people talk about as commonplace.

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Post by themartorana »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #303
JupiterMoon wrote: post #271

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Contracts for private sector companies doing work for the public sector tend to protect the private sector company from being fired. Also you may want to check who sits on the boards of some of the private contractors working for your government (or you might not want to - the results might make you more cynical).

Obviously we can't have a perfect world, but vendors get fired all the time. Contracts go up for renewel, a new administration fires old vendors, etc. Public sector unions are eternal and only get worse over time. As far as "connections" go, Theranos is imploding right now even with its deep government and military connections.

Those connections likely made money and are also very likely immune from the current shit storm.
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