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WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by CydeWeys »

latj wrote: post #178
sangnoir wrote: post #153

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> They have said that it is impossible for them to provide the information requested. They have said this to the press or to the court? Because it seems to me like Fb/Whatsapp have been pointedly ignoring the courts for months. The least they could do is fly down a lackey to Brazil and say it in person and/or alternatively hire a Brazilian law firm to represent them.

They dont have to fly anyone down to brazil. They had someone there. He was arrested a few months go for not fulfilling the request. Its all in the article we are commenting on.

Terrifyingly Brazil is probably on the no-go list for lots of Apple employees right now, like how the Middle East is in general for LGBT people.

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Post by julioneander »

ex3ndr wrote: post #137
kiloreux wrote: post #21

Is telegram also blocked, I think it sounds like a good alternative that people can use now, if it's not already blocked.

Some brazil users started to - Actor (actor.im) Disclaimer: CEO of Actor and Ex-Telegram employee.

That app looks really cool!

I was looking at the Actor Developer Hub, there is a guide explaining how to install an Actor Server. Does that mean that Actor is decentralized? How does that work?

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Post by lanna »

coliveira wrote: post #174
lanna wrote: post #55

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there is no coup in place in brazil, stop spreading fud

The only people that say there is no coup going on are people supporting the coup. Please get informed about this discussion.

Se voce gosta tanto assim da Dilma, por que nao volta a morar la? Deve ser muito comodo para voce defender o governo do PT sentadinho ai em Nova York, ne? Queria ver se voce fosse um dos mais de 11 milhoes de desempregados!

Quando eu morava la e trabalhava para uma grande empresa de telecom, antes mesmo do escandalo do mensalao, eu vi o Lula roubando bem na minha frente, recebendo 150 mil reais por mes de propina disfarcados de "prestacao de servicos de consultoria" (a forma preferida de agir da quadrilha do PT) atraves da empresa do filho dele. Servicos que obviamente nunca foram prestados: a epoca, a G4 sequer tinha funcionarios!

Sinceramente, eu nao ligo se a Dilma vai ser impichada porque jogou papel de bala no chao. Ela fraudou as eleicoes, jogando a economia no lixo no processo. O PT esta transformando o Brasil na nova Venezuela. Independentemente de qual argumento formal pelo qual efetivamente consiga justificar-se, ela merece ser deposta.

Quem deveria se informar sobre tudo o que realmente esta acontecendo por la e voce. Voce fica so nas superficialidades.

Trouxa.

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Post by wjagodfrey »

yeukhon wrote: post #355
cantrevealname wrote: post #301

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No. I personally have a video message that is almost 3 years old that I've tried to delete multiple times over the years and it still shows up if I do a fresh install of Skype on a new computer. Very old voice messages are also accessible even if "deleted". Text chats do seem to disappear, but at this point I don't believe anything Skype says. I figure they keep the chats forever as well.

Chats are definitely saved, but files aren't. You can't retrieve files after certain amount of time. I can also retrieve conversation from 3+ years ago. I don't remember if there is an option to forget conversation history though.

In all fairness, that's not say they're not being moved to deep physical storage. That's a practice in many organisations dealing with mass data.

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Post by lanna »

coliveira wrote: post #174
lanna wrote: post #55

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there is no coup in place in brazil, stop spreading fud

The only people that say there is no coup going on are people supporting the coup. Please get informed about this discussion.

A Dilma deveria ter sido presa em flagrante por obstrucao de justica ao nomear Lula ministro as vesperas da prisao preventiva dele ser decretada.

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Post by [deleted] »

SapphireSun wrote: post #358
x0054 wrote: post #352

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I am sorry, but your argument is idiotic. It boils down to "WhatsApp wasn't there to produce something they didn't have, so a district court judge managed to order a bunch of nonparties to the lawsuit to take down WhatsApp." That's like a district judge in NY ordering all the telcos to block all iPhones because Apple refuses to hack a phone for him. What kind of judicial system are you running there in Brazil? I am g…

Please take a look at the HN guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't really like seeing what is very very close to a personal attack ("your argument is idiotic", "I am glad you are in the minority...") in what should be a civilized place.

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Post by chrischen »

gambiting wrote: post #286
kuschku wrote: post #276

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Then don’t publish your app in those countries.

But....why not? As a person interested in selling my app, why would I not publish it in the largest number of markets available?

They have the power to block you in their country, just as you have the power to publish in their country.

Just because you can take their money doesn't mean they have to accept that.

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Post by tluyben2 »

kartan wrote: post #268
robbiemitchell wrote: post #199

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So if a judge demanded a telco hand over an audio recording of any specific conversation, they must comply -- even though calls are not recorded and stored? If a judge demanded the postal service hand over an image of every envelope processed, it must comply -- even though no such images exist? Where does it end?

That's why Google doesn't operates in China at full scale. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China They decided that was agains the company values to comply with Chinese law, so they stopped offering some services. It's the law, and maybe I don't like it at all, but still I thing that companies should comply. I also thing that that laws should me changed.

Some services? I have not found any Google service to work over there. Which one should work?

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Post by free2rhyme214 »

Spivak wrote: post #249
MrMullen wrote: post #126

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Whatapp's uses the Signal Protocol Java, which is open source. https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepap... https://github.com/WhisperSystems/libsignal-protocol-java

Oh ffs, here we go again. Yes, the signal protocol and signal's implementation are both open source, but you have no way to actually verify that WA has actually implemented the protocol correctly and securely. Sure you could do some basic packet analysis but this wouldn't tell you about the presence of any remotely triggered backdoors. The only way for you as a user to actually verify the security is by reading the s…

This.

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Post by gcb0 »

envy2 wrote: post #158
soneca wrote: post #64

I'm here to defend the judge's ruling, a position very unpopular among all my friends here in Brazil. Brazilian law regarding regarding privacy of users of internet services is very recent and clear: if a judge order the company to share a specific user data, the company must comply. You can disagree with the law, but the law is there. Now, the judge ordered Whatsapp to share a particular user conversation (a suspect…

There seem to be a few problems with this analysis. First, WhatsApp is a US company and has no presence in Brazil. Under many readings of US law (specifically, ECPA), US companies are in fact prohibited from complying with requests from foreign law enforcement for content, except in emergencies. Instead, foreign law enforcement must make a request for assistance to the US DoJ, which will then (eventually, and maybe)…

> Under many readings of US law (specifically, ECPA), US companies are in fact prohibited from complying with requests from foreign law enforcement for content

i know nothing about law, but where are you getting this from? does not seems to be the case with any company in china (yahoo gave in, google decided to leave) for example.

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