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Judge Grants Search Warrant Forcing Woman to Unlock iPhone with Touch ID

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Re: Judge Grants Search Warrant Forcing Woman to Unlock iPhone with Touch ID

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You can be compelled to provide fingerprints based on a warrant; I'm unsurprised (and not particularly bothered) that you can be compelled to use them on your own device. If you care about security, don't use a fingerprint alone; at most, only use it as a second factor for two-factor authentication. More generally, don't use anything that removes your ability to make a choice under duress, in whichever direction you…

In the era of fast 3d printers, what stands in the way of just fashioning a suitable fake finger from the fingerprint?

You might have noticed that ABS plastic doesn't have a lot of similarities with human flesh. That's not to say that it can't be faked, just maybe not with a 3D printer: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/09/fake-fingerprint-foo...

Re: Judge Grants Search Warrant Forcing Woman to Unlock iPhone with Touch ID

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5th amendment: "No person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself." How does this not apply here?

Providing your fingerprint (or blood, or DNA) is not considered testimony.

But is kinda silly how "numeric passcodes are protected individual privacies, but fingerprints are not" in this case.

The use of your blood or DNA in the case should dictate if it's applicable or not, not the nature of the evidence itself.

Re: Judge Grants Search Warrant Forcing Woman to Unlock iPhone with Touch ID

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a way to know Touch ID is available, but can't be used because the device was just rebooted? Or does it act like there's just a password?

>Is there a way to know Touch ID is available, but can't be used because the device was just rebooted? I don't know the verbatim message, but it says something along the lines of "Passcode is required to enable Touch ID"

"iPhone requires your passcode after restarting" vs "Touch ID requires your passcode when iPhone restarts" Also, if Touch ID is disabled then putting a finger on the sensor does nothing, but if it's enabled it shows the passcode screen with the above message

Edit: with Touch ID enabled, if you slide to the lock screen without touching the sensor, it says "iPhone requires your passcode after restarting" but the title says "Touch ID or Enter Passcode"

Re: Judge Grants Search Warrant Forcing Woman to Unlock iPhone with Touch ID

#68
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the era of fast 3d printers, what stands in the way of just fashioning a suitable fake finger from the fingerprint?

Nothing. The 3d printer is overkill. A fingerprint and a pack of gelatin is more than sufficient.

Have you personally done or seen this done this then? Quality of the print production seems pretty important...

Re: Judge Grants Search Warrant Forcing Woman to Unlock iPhone with Touch ID

#69
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Providing your fingerprint (or blood, or DNA) is not considered testimony.

But is kinda silly how "numeric passcodes are protected individual privacies, but fingerprints are not" in this case. The use of your blood or DNA in the case should dictate if it's applicable or not, not the nature of the evidence itself.

The purpose of the right against self-incrimination is to prevent forced confessions and torture. With that in mind, it makes sense to draw a line between compelling someone to provide their fingerprint or DNA and forcing someone to divulge something they know. When the state has the right to make someone talk, how does it go about it? Also, it's impossible to know whether someone actually knows the passcode to a device, so someone could end up imprisoned indefinitely just for forgetting a password.

Re: Judge Grants Search Warrant Forcing Woman to Unlock iPhone with Touch ID

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This doesn't seem that remarkable. It's one thing if you have the combination to a safe and won't give it up; the police will have to get into the safe some other way. On the other hand, if it locks with a physical key which you happen to keep on your belt, I doubt any court would think twice before ordering you to hand it over.
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